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Can Somebody Weigh Their 1965 SMS Set For Me?

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 Posted 12/30/2011  12:01 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Secret Argent Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just picked up a 1965 SMS set, still in the mylar packaging. The half dollar looks like it is 90%, ie no band of copper on the edge. I do know they were striking silver and clad coinage at the same time that year, so it is possible.

I did the tissue test, comparing it to a 1966 set which is 40% silver, and the 65 is brighter so I think it might actually be a silver planchet! How cool would that be?

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So, I was wondering if there's some other way to confirm composition.... like maybe weighing another 65 SMS set in mylar for comparison?

I know I could break it out of there, but I hate to do that unnecessarily. I mean it has been there for 47 years, and I am not averse to taking it out I kind of feel it takes something away. Like in archaeology, you want everything to be in itu as much as possible. I'll probably break it out anyway, as that's the only way to be 100% but suggestions are welcome.

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 Posted 12/30/2011  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have many 1965 Kennedy halves that are silver clad and show no copper on the rim. The ones I have are all 40%ers. A 90% weighs almost a full gram more than a 40%.
Lincoln Cent 3.11 grams
Jefferson nickel 5.00 grams
Roosevelt dime 2.27 grams
Washington quarter 5.67 grams
Kennedy half 40% 11.5 grams
Kennedy half 90% 12.5 grams

So a 40% clad set should weigh 27.5ish grams and the 90% set 28.5 grams
Just remember that these are never exact with any individual coin and you have to take into account the weight of the packaging, but I would feel safe saying that if the set weighs less than 28.5 grams it is clad for sure. I don't know if there is any other items such as a token or such in the packaging as well and I have no way of knowing what it would weigh. Hope this helps
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 Posted 12/30/2011  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps you could try the ring test through the Mylar....?

You still may be able to get away with gently tapping the coin on the edge and comparing that with a known control coin.

We numismatists are really on the first step to being mad scientists, you know!
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 Posted 12/30/2011  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Secret Argent Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My set is 30.35 grams including the packaging and plastic medallion-thing.

But you're right, each coin in either my set or the comparison could be off a little-- and this puts the cumulative margin of error too far off to really know. Guess I will have to pull it out of there after all.

edit--- the ring test! Of course! Will do that shortly... right now the wife says it's bedtime.
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12/30/2011 12:46 am
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 Posted 12/30/2011  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know this may sound silly, but if the half is in the corner of the packaging, could you just put that part on the scale and weigh the half? You should see the weight if you support the rest of the package and lower it onto the scale until there is some slack in the Mylar around the half
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 Posted 12/30/2011  05:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
unholyroller - Not with any level of accuracy.
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 Posted 12/30/2011  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So....any word? I am eager to hear! I am thinking more and more you might just have a winner there. Wonder what a 90% 65 Kennedy would be worth in that condition! I would do everything possible to get a weight without pulling it from the Mylar. That way if you had I graded it could say it was from a SMS set!
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 Posted 12/31/2011  06:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Take multiple images of you removing it, and bust it out. You'll never get an accurate weight weighing packaging.
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 Posted 12/31/2011  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Secret Argent Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, I took it out and... it is 11.49 grams.

I had myself convinced!
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