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Can someone please explain the difference between a standard 2001 20 Cents Federation Victoria Reverseand a 2001 20 Cents Federation Victoria (Type 2 Reverse).
A picture would be even better. I've gone through hundreds of these coins and cannot find any differences between them
Any advice wouldbe greatly appreciated
Thanks in advance
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Formerly nancyc
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Where is the Type 2 reverse mentioned? I'm not sure it even exists.  life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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I only have Mcdonalds 2009 handy at the moment Check bottom page 124 under " Twenty Cents - Federation" It states....."The Victorian issue has two reverse dies identifiable by comparing the coin" Edited by mrcruise
01/03/2012 04:39 am
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Formerly nancyc
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The reference to Obverse dies is probably to do with the IRB under the bust. Some are all spaced A_R_B, some are A_RB. What is meant by the rest of the sentence is a mystery. I can surmise that the Victorian Coins may have been minted with two different Obverses, due to the IRB, but to my knowledge, there is only one reverse. Some of them do have slightly thicker numerals for the two dates on the reverse, but that's only due to the die wearing, not a different die being used. I'll see if I can get some images of them and post them here later this week if I can find the time to do it. Too much tennis to watch at present.  life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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Thanks for reply Nancy
I am already aware of IRB differences on all 2001 20c coins......but I do agree that the mention of the reverse die statement in mcdonalds is a mystery as I cannot find any info on it anywhere
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I was not aware of two reverse die varieties but after consulting 2011 maccas there appears as if there may be. The lack of information he provides in his books regarding varieties is inconsistent and frustrating. Some varieties have full colour images showing differences and then some such as this 20c just mention the existence of a variety. After reading another thread about the next installment of his book removing the Perth Mint issues it would be great if he could expand the information he has regarding varieties. |
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I concur, but I can't say I will miss the omission of the Perth Mint since I see Perth Mint Coins as purely collectors items except for their bullion releases and thus lack the historical significance of coins produced at RAM though they too to a degree have gone quite commercial |
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Formerly nancyc
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All I can offer at present is to look carefully at the '9' in 1901, it can be thin in appearance, or thick, due to the die wearing I believe. I do have both thin & thick ones, but don't have any images yet.
life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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I can see difference in 50c which seem like die wear hence less detail.....was particularly interested in 20c reverse as it is mentioned in mcdonalds in what seems like a passing statement with no further detail provided. Thanks for pics Ausjack which are actually quite detailed. I'll have a look at Nancy's suggestion of the 9 in 1901 as it sounds plausible to be a different die as stated by mcdonald, just like 2007 20c thick and thin '7'
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Formerly nancyc
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Here are the date areas of 3 different 20c coins. The top is a 'normal' coin, & in the next 2 the dates are doubled or thick.  There are quite a lot of 'error' coins in the CoF series. I'll see if I can find my list if anyone is interested in seeing it.  I haven't done any images of them yet, and there are more errors in 20c than 50c in my view, but I have to admit, I haven't dragged my coins out to examine them all closely. I'll get around to it one day. life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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I would be interested in seeing your list nancy. Please try and dig it out for us.
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Formerly nancyc
Australia
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List of CoF 20c Errors: State Side Error
Qld Obv Cuds down face profile X 3
Qld Obv Strike Through Between Hair & ‘Liz"
Qld Obv Partly Filled ‘R':
Qld Rev Filled 9
Qld Obv Partly Filled ‘B' ‘R' ‘A':
Qld Rev Filled 9
Qld Obv Partly Filled ‘R' ‘A':
Qld Rev Filled 9
Qld Rev Cuds in some Shoe Prints
NSW Obv Cuds Front Of Hair, Under Chin:
NSW Rev Die Crack Bottom Left Corner Map To Rim
NSW Obv Cuds Back Of Head
NSW Rev Cuds Beside The Left Of & Under Map
NSW Obv Cuds Front Of Hair
NSW Rev Die Crack Bottom Left Corner Map To Rim X 2
NSW Rev Die Crack Bottom Left Corner Map To Rim X 2
NSW Rev Cuds To Left Of & Under Map
NSW Rev Cuds Beside The Left Of & Under Map X 2
NSW Rev Cuds Beside The Left Of Map
Vic Obv Die Crack Neck Towards Rim X 5
Vic Obv Cud Bridge Of Nose
Vic Obv 2 Cuds Back Of Head
Vic Rev Thick 9 In Date X 3
SA Obv 2 Die Cracks Neck To Rim, 1 To Rim
SA Rev Die Crack Rim Through ‘F' & On Through 2 Flower Petals X 2
SA Rev Die Crack Rim Through ‘F' & On Through 1½ Flower Petals
WA Obv Cud Cheek, Die Crack 1 To Rim
WA Obv Die Crack 1 To Rim, Strange Patch On Cheek (Strike Through Or Pl Flaw I Don't Know Which)
WA Obv Die Crack 1 To Rim
WA Obv Strike Through Nose, Multi Fine Die Cracks, A,U,A,I,A + 1 (All To Rim)
WA Obv Cuds At Hairline, Eyebrow, Bridge Of Nose, Fine Line With ‘Beads' From Lips To Chin
WA Obv ‘Flap' Of Metal Above Top Point Of Map Spreading To Rim X 2
Tas Obv Strike Through Forehead To Nose, Die Crack 1 To Rim
Tas Obv Strike Through Forehead, Nose, Mouth, Cheek
Tas Obv Strike Through Hair To Nose, Fine Line With ‘Beads' From Chin To Halfway Down Neck
Tas Obv Rough Patch Chin To Centre Of Cheek (Strike Through Or Pl Flaw I Don't Know Which)
NT Obv Strike Through Temple
NT Obv Strike Through Nose & Top Lip
NT Obv Cud Bottom Lip
NT Obv Small Cuds Cheek & Chin
NT Obv ‘Stitched" Lips, Fine Line With ‘Beads' From Lips To Chin
NT Obv Fine Line With ‘Beads' From Lips To Chin
NT Obv Cud Nose, Fine Line With ‘Beads' From Nose To Chin
NT Obv Small Cuds Cheek, Fine Line With ‘Beads' From Top Lip To Chin
NT Obv Filled Die, Faint ‘Zabeth"
NT Rev Filled Die, Faint ‘Territory'
ACT Obv Pl Flaw In Front Of Nose
ACT Obv Long Cud On Cheek
ACT Obv Part Filled R:
ACT Rev Filled, E,E,B,R,G In Celebrating: E In The :S,R In Australia
ACT Rev Cud On 2
ACT Obv Cud Chin
ACT Obv Cuds Nose, Chin, 2 In Hair,
ACT Obv Cuds, Hair & Nose
ACT Obv Cuds Nose, Chin, 2 In Hair X 2
ACT Rev Cud In Front Of 2
ACT Rev Filled, E,E,B,R,G In Celebrating: E In The :S,R In Australian X 3
ACT Rev Filled, E,E,B,R,G In Celebrating: E In The :S,R In Australian X 3, Cud Between A&T Of Celebrating, + Cud On Bottom Right Stroke Of N, Cud To Left Of Map In Front Of 2
ACT Rev Filled 2nd E Of ‘Celeb', Cud In Front Of 2, Die Crack Across Top Of ‘Ebrat' & Bottom Of ‘Leb' X 2
N.I. Obv Cud Cheek (Small)
N.I. Obv Cud 3 on Cheek (Small)
Just discovered I don't have a list for CoF 50c errors, maybe I haven't found any yet, but I know they exist. life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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That's a huge list nancy! I haven't got that many of them but now I'll be checking them all.
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Those are great pics nancy and I think the differences are right there...tell me what you think....
Look at the tower to the left of 2001 in your top photo - the edge of the middle tower is partially front of the RH tower whearas in your bottom 2 pics the middle tower does not obstruct the RH tower
Do you agree?
I think that's the 2 reverse dies right there in your photos
Thanks heaps - Mystery solved in my opinion
PS: Nancy, would it be possible to post full pic of coins just to be sure?
Edited by mrcruise
01/04/2012 01:12 am
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Formerly nancyc
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I think that's the 2 reverse dies right there in your photos Heheheheh! That's just where I've cropped the pics. The original parts of all 3 coins are identical. Sorry....  life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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