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Possible 1973 P Doubled Die Obverse Variety

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 Posted 01/16/2012  5:47 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tarheelblueboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm trying to figure out if this one is a doubled die obverse from 1973. It looks awfully thick and there seems to be some doubling, especially on liberty, around the B, E, and Y especially. The IN GOD part has been throwing me off, can't tell if it's true doubling! I couldn't find much on this variety, although CONECA's database does confirm that it exists - here's the link to that page http://varietyvista.com/Variety%20M...79.htm#_1973 .

Anyways, thanks in advance for all you helpful numismatists out there! Here's my scans of everything but the reverse, which looks normal to me.


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 Posted 01/16/2012  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks flat to me which would be MD...but I have been wrong before. I'm sure someone else will chime in.

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 Posted 01/16/2012  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe if you are lucky...Coop will post his great illustrations of the difference between Machine Doubling and Doubled Dies.....I tried to look for them but to no avail.

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The B and the E in LIBERTY are clearly raised, all of the other words seem to have extra thickness. I can see it when I look from an angle. You can see how the E looks raised. It's not so uniform from letter to letter like a lot of Machine Doubling either. Everything looks rounded. The date looks kinda weird, not as thick, but it's still very soft around the edges - doesn't look like it was smashed down in striking. There's definitely extra thickness on the lettering. LIBERTY looks very blobbish. If it's not doubling from the die, it is something other than double striking. The back was definitely struck only once. Wish I could post better photos, these are just scans.
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 Posted 01/16/2012  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They all look that way. I see nothing doubled on this coin. Sorry.
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thanks coop, i'll do my research on double dies because I definitely keep making this type of mistake. I hate using my scanner, it'll be good once I get my loupe!
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I am also having issues on finding info on this coin I have a 7 that is doubled. Any info would be great
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First off the Liberty that year has a strange alignment of the devices to begin with:
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The 'E' often causes attention, but that is normal as all of them look that way. On the IB I see evidence of coin contact on those devices. Note how there is a slight push NE on those devices. But when you look at the width of the devices, they are the same as normal. (In fact smaller on your coin, as the die was over polished, removing part of the fields thickness, makes all the devices shorter in size than normal) So when searching for doubled dies, look at the centers of the devices and not at the outside edges of devices. MD and coin contact affect them there.
Note the a side by side of a normal coin and the DDO devices, how the devices are showing a spread on the centers of the devices:
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Note on this DDO, the devices are made taller than normal. Most of the time they will look wider than normal. But look at the centers of the devices to see a spread on the centers of the devices, and forget looking at the outside edges, where event alter after the strike. Also note on closed devices, these are altered making them a different shape than normal. Hope this helps.

CoopHome: How to spot the 1973 DDO-001 cent doubled dies?
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