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NGC Variety Database Has No Record Of This One?

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Sorry, but these are the best shots I could get of this 1956-D, that when scrutinized, absolutely shows a D/D and almost certainly a D/D/D.

In hand, there are 3 distinct, horizontal lines at the bottom of the MM. The MMs appears to be stacked on top of each other...

NGC Variety shows a 1956-D QDR & a 1956-D TDR, but neither description references this anomaly. Help please!


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you could always send it to ANACS. they are great at variety attribution.
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Them's some nice nics! My eyes are shot this time of night, I rely alot on http://www.briansvarietycoins.com/shop/cat/4
Nice, clear photos. Hope this helps. Where's coop?
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it's prolly in the RPM book, but I been trying to source one with no avail
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If I send the coin in to NGC and they agree that the coin is a D/D or a D/D/D, will NGC attribute the variety even though they do not recognize the variety in their 'Variety Plus' database?

If not, how does a new variety get recognized?

Which of the TPGs would be the best one to send this coin to for grading and variety recognition?
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MAny of people recommend ANACS
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I am another...to recommend ANACS for Variety attribution!
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I should be able to submit directly to ANACS through my ANA membership, right?
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Anyone can submit to anacs, there is no special club or group to join to submit.

http://www.anacs.com/contentPages/F...kieSupport=1
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Where is Wheezy? (or did he change his screename?), he is one of the resident Nickel experts.
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NGC and PCGS only attribute certain varities, ANACS and SEGS seem to handle the rest, ANACS has really tightened up their standards lately on grades, SEGS coins seem harder to sell in the market and generally bring a grade lower than on the holder, no matter how nice the coin is. Weird but that's the way it goes.
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should be able to submit directly to ANACS through my ANA membership, right?


ANA started ANACS, but no longer is connected. ANA is tied in with NGC.
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If I send the coin in to NGC and they agree that the coin is a D/D or a D/D/D, will NGC attribute the variety even though they do not recognize the variety in their 'Variety Plus' database?

No, if they do not recognize the variety they will not put it on the holder. The variety will have to be recognized by an "expert" and given a number before NGC, PCGS or ANACS will recognize it. ANACS may call it a D/D but it will not have a catalog number or anything until one of those "experts" gives it one. To be honest until it gets a catalog number, error collectors will not pay any extra for the coin if sold either, so nno real reason to pay the extra cost of resending it in just to get d/d until it does have a number assigned
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The variety will have to be recognized by an "expert" and given a number before NGC, PCGS or ANACS will recognize it.

And even then there is a good chance they will not recognize it. There are a TON of varieties out there that the experts have identified and given catalog numbers to that neither PCGS or NGC will recognize. NGC decides how "important" they think the variety is, and if they deem it worthy they will ignore the experts catalog numbers and give it a number of their own and that is the number that will appear on the holder. So even if it is identified, it's not identified because they don't normally use the recognized catalog numbers.
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WOW! Talk about 'red-tape' and bureaucracy: Why does it have to be so difficult? I would think everything would be a lot more manageable, effective and collector friendly if the various parties involved would get on the same sheet of music.

Since it is apparently not cost effective to have this coin, or the 1954-S/S (also posted in this forum), graded by a TPG, I decided to list them in my webstore. Perhaps someone will find them interesting...

On the other hand, I also listed in this forum a 1968-S/S (NGC POP of 1) on which no one has made a comment. I wonder if I should send that coin in to the TPGs?

Oh well, thank you everyone for your extremely informative insight and guidance in what I should do with this (and the other) coin. I appreciate your thoughts very much!
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I just see a normal mint mark with some die movement. Not the rim to the right of the mint mark. The rim is pushed there also. (third image)
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