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1887 VAM 12A ? - Major REV Clashing - Kinda Cool!

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 Posted 01/24/2012  11:11 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TMR to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was searching through some Morgans last night and found this 1887 P. I started my research on VAM World looking under the VAMs for normal date (looks to be about 2.75 to just under 3 denticles from the point). After looking through every description and picture, I can find some characteristics that match and others not listed as attributes.

Now, this 1887 is no Prom Queen beauty but she sure does have some interesting and extensive (at least to me!) OBV and REV clashes and extensive doubling.

I was hoping that this would be a VAM 1B but the clashed E just isn't there, the date doesn't seem to be in the right place, and there aren't die cracks in the date. I wondered if the coin is a LDS VAM 12A but several of the features on the coin don't exactly match the description and pics on VW. The eye and Liberty are slightly doubled but don't seem as dramatic as the pics in VM and the OBV is clashed in the neck V. There is also a significant amount of clashing on the reverse and a few die chips which may not be diagnostic points.

The link below will take you to many pics on SkyDrive. You should be able to edit and enlarge the pics to see other details, etc.

Let me know your thoughts if you agree it is a VAM 12A.

https://skydrive.live.com/redir.asp...97_gWfPYBnzg
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01/24/2012 1:10 pm
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I took the liberty of editing your references to "1877" by replacing with "1887," so the next reader isn't as perplexed as I was.

Don't have the time to attribute right now - gotta get ready for work - but I lean away from 12A. That one's characterized by the alligator eye, and your detail image of the eye doesn't show the "alligator" doubling. The date location is wrong, as well.

We'll have to talk more about this one, but that's VAMming.
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SuperDave,
Thanks for editing...it truelly would have been a rare find (or a fake!) if it was dated 1877.

As mentioned in my post, I wasn't 100% sold on on 12A and I will keep researching VamWorld. Look forward to your thoughts.
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How about an EDS VAM 27 (I2, R6)? I was looking at normal date VAMS and it looks like it is more in line with the far date. The full images on VW show much of the REV clashing.
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I believe its a Far date, VAM 27 die pair 1, The eye is the smoking gun...Gene
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Aladinslamp got it right.

My guess is VAM 27 early or middle mint state.

The eye and the die crack between the wing and the D gives it avay.

Early or mid die state because there is no sign of the large die break that runs through the wreath and the DO in dollar at 6 o'clock on the reverse.

Great clashes.
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