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UK Gold Reserves Opinions Needed

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 Posted 02/03/2012  05:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add kena to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
All,

Need your opinions on what you think the UK should do with their gold reserves.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-London.html

Article states:

Cash-strapped British people will breathe a sigh of relief when they see these impressive treasure troves.

Despite the financial crisis, it seems the country still has some money left in the Bank of England's vault beneath London.

In fact, there are stacks of gold bars worth a whopping £156 billion stored in an old canteen deep below the streets of the capital.

Now some bright sparks are suggesting the following:

"The gold market is at a high, time to sell part of the profit element off to help pay the public sector debt off? Or, shall we just keep grinding ordinary folk into the ground and underfund growth plans?"

I responded back:
Selling off the gold should only be considered as the very last option. Don't see any signs of the price of gold going loweranytime soon, so if they were foolish to sell it off, then they need to understand they will never be able to replace it anytime soon. Yes, the precious metals markets are being fiddled with but remember China has not stopped buying precious metals.

They responded back:
The market will fall in due course Ken and I am only talking about the profit element made on the original cost element. Little value if you don't make use of the ups and downs of the market when holding gold stocks.

I responded back:
By that logic of playing the ups and downs, they missed the boat already since gold reached $1900 an ounce back on 5th/6th Sept. 2011. Other thing, if they sell off the gold and pay down the public debt, where does the cash come from in the future to buy gold again when the price ever goes low again?

To which they responded:
From the UK's economic growth and the tax revenues generated from it.

I am at a loss to what to say back now.

Ken


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 Posted 02/03/2012  06:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newmismatist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"The gold market is at a high, time to sell part of the profit element off to help pay the public sector debt off? Or, shall we just keep grinding ordinary folk into the ground and underfund growth plans?"

I believe the above is a false choice. The British people, like the people of much of the developed world, are signed on to debt they don't legitimately owe. Better to keep the gold and use it to secure loans when necessary. Whatever else happens, hope your prime minister doesn't sell gold at a low, the way Gordon Brown did!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...me-high.html
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 Posted 02/03/2012  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gold has been traditionally been used as backing to the banknote issue. That role has been considerably eroded over the last few decades, and the yellow stuff is being treated more an more just like any other commodity.

I think that is what is behind what drives National Treasuries to buy and sell gold. Just like us PM investors, I suppose.

Rather, the health of a Country's economy is backed increasingly by the total entrepreneurial value of it's population.

In other words, it is good that we all work, the more the better.

You old geezers out there --- DON'T retire! The Government won't have to pay you any pension then...... Come to think of it, I happen to be an old geezer myself! Oops!

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A nonsense article by the Daily Mail really, for starters the Bank of Englands gold vaults hold gold for a heck of a lot of countries. The UK's amount is about 10% of that.

And really, what is £156bn? That's not even a tenth of the UK's annual GDP.
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 Posted 02/03/2012  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverEye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Selling an asset to pay for a recurring, unrecoupable expense is stupid. Would you sell your car to pay your cable bill? Of course not, you couldn't get to work, lose your job, long term you are worse off.

You sell a stable asset for a temporary emergency, one that you will recover from and come out stronger. Or you sell to make an investment that will make returns. Sell your dinette set to pay for repairs to your car so you can get to work. That sort of thing.
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You old geezers out there --- DON'T retire! The Government won't have to pay you any pension then...... Come to think of it, I happen to be an old geezer myself! Oops!

LOL, Sel! Too late. Some of us geezers are already retired... and we are staying that way!

I agree that the UK should not sell its gold. They should continue to hold it as collateral for future loans and as a legacy for the British people.

Also, just how much gold is really there AND unencumbered? Lots of the gold in national vaults, especially in London and New York, is either held in the names of other nations (as trade settlements) or has been "leased" to other central banks around the world. This is a BIG question in the US as well.
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02/04/2012 7:45 pm
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