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Valued Member
United States
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Hope this wasn't asked before but I was wondering how much time it takes for a grader working for a TPG to grade a coin? I'm not talking about turnaround time but the time it takes from the grader to remove a coin from a package received from the mail to when it gets on his or her desk to the time the grade is determined. In other words actual examination time. Several minutes or perhaps more? I understand it would take longer depending on the grade but say it was a MS68 example. Of course a perfect MS 70 would take longer still since the grader would have to get opinions from other graders before rewarding a coin this grade. Any guesses?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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They probably spend a few seconds looking at a coin. Probably no more than half a minute. Only MS-69 and MS-70 require 5x loupe- the rest can be done via naked eye.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I recall a tell-all by a grader. A typical coin gets less than a minute of inspection for authenticity and grade, for which the grader gets a buck.
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Moderator
 Australia
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That number also fits if you do the math, working out how many coins a company grades per year, how many graders they hire and how long a grader is expected to be "on the job". I seem to remember it being discussed on the forum here. Turned out it's physically impossible for a coin to get more than a half-minute's worth of examination.
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Moderator
 United States
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Think of all the coins they grade in just one day. They examine them pretty fast I'm sure.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Depends on the coins, most are well under a minute, most common coins the graders see, like Morgan dollars around 15 seconds under 30 seconds. More rare coins are usually handled by the senior graders, who aren't under time pressure and unless they are attributing a variety it takes most under 1 minute to grade. My High School buddy went on to form one of the bigger grading firms ICG, (since sold out) but they spent about what I said above. Some of the lesser seen coins will stop all activity in the grading room, such as Gobrecht dollars, ultra rarities, patterns, wild errors, etc. and everyone gathers around to see the coin and discuss it, but most days are full of lots, and lots of common coins to quickly assess and grade, more time is spent making sure the correct coin is on the sheet or computer screen that you are grading than the actual grading time, don't want to screw that up. Most of the TPG's require a coin to go through 3 different graders then if a consensus isn't made, it is kicked up to a senior grader or two for the final say so on a grade. Another reason the graders like soft vinyl flips in 2.5" or larger. I know PCGS required that, ANACS prefers it, the flips may have PVC in them, but the coin isn't in it for more than a week during shipping and grading, it's much easier on the coin and the grader's fingers when needing to remove the coins quickly examine and move onto the next one.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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A grader is expected to do about a thousand coins a day. Do the math, for an 8 hour day that is 125 coins an hour or roughly two coins a minute. That is thirty seconds to pull the flip out of the box, scan the barcode, take the coin out of the flip, grade it, put it back into the flip, type the grade into the computer, and put the flip back in the done box. Somewhere in all that you are supposed to authenticate it as well.
That is why back in the days of the bodybags I firmly believe that when a grader was falling behind he would just start going "bodybag, bodybag, bodybag, bodybag" in order to catch up. After all the company still got paid for the bodybags, and more than likely the coin would be sent in again and the company would get paid twice (or more) to grade it once.
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Valued Member
United States
93 Posts |
That pretty much explains everything.  An example is FB designation of Roosevelt dimes. If you look at PCGS images, you would be shocked to see what has been graded FB. I myself have sent in identically struck FB coins and have had one designated FB while another was not. This also explains market grade being so important IMO.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Conder101: That is why back in the days of the bodybags I firmly believe that when a grader was falling behind he would just start going "bodybag, bodybag, bodybag, bodybag" in order to catch up. After all the company still got paid for the bodybags, and more than likely the coin would be sent in again and the company would get paid twice (or more) to grade it once. That makes perfect sense I never thought of it that way, back in the early 90's I was cracking out potential upgrades from PCGS holders and resubmitting them only to get most back in body bags, I usually did this right after the Long Beach show or other big show, when they would be up to their eyes with new submissions.  One of the reasons I quit using PCGS, they couldn't even agree on grades or cleaned coins coming form their own holders.
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