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 Posted 02/13/2012  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add goatieman23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's awesome. I'd definitely be calling it rare.
Fred Lever has classed Small upsets (I'd say probably within 340° - 20°) as 1:100
But he hasn't listed big upsets.
The coin looks like it's upset to 215° or 7:30.
That coin would be worth quite a bit. I know that 2001 Centenary $1 sell for above $15, see below (for all upsets, there will be plenty of 2001 $1 there):
http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?_nkw...0.m270.l1313
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 Posted 02/14/2012  01:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add goatieman23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For all that are wondering what sort of rotation there is on a coin, this is the way that I find nice & easy & you can do yourself even easier.

A 2x2 (large enough to carry the coin)
A pen
A bulldog clip

Place the coin in normally on the otherside & turn around to work it out.

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 Posted 02/14/2012  02:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larena to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
goatieman23 ... I'm blonde ...so at what point is it read at?
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I think this is 35-40 degree rotation. If I'm doing it correctly then I am taking it from the very top of the coin, that is roughly at the tip of the queens crown
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 Posted 02/14/2012  02:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larena to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks enworb ..that makes mine about 200 degrees
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 Posted 02/14/2012  03:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?_nkw...md=1&_ipg=50


More specific to Australian upsets.
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If it were me describing the offset I would not be saying it was above 180 degrees. I would call it 160 degrees anticlockwise. I'm not sure if this is correct but it is what I would do.
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Enworb when I turn it over it is definitely about 7o'clock
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I agree with your judgement of 7.30 but just saying it sounds silly to say 355 degree rotation when it is only 5 degrees out from normal but just in the opposite direction. I wouldnt be calling any rotation greater than 180 degrees. Hence yours I would describe as 160 degrees anticlockwise.
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 Posted 02/14/2012  03:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larena to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
how do you know which way it rotated?
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You dont
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so if you go one way its say 200 degrees ...if u go the other way its 160 degrees :)
goatieman...need your help here
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Larena, I believe that if the coin is exactly the opposite way it would be 180° (or 6:00 o'clock)
So the little thing I created you will go by the text under the bottom of the coin (or at least roughly).
In my eyes, a full circle is 360° (12:00/0:00), a three quarter circle is 270° (9:00), a half circle is 180° (6:00) & a quarter circle is 90° (3:00).
I never work in anti-clockwise, why? becuase I was taught by teachers that the degree (°) & clocks are always read in clockwise.
Play with the photo in Microsoft Office Picture Manager & you can change the rotation by as little as 0.5°. Have a play & let me know. That might help you understand it a little better.
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Thanks goatieman23 ...that's what I was taught too
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I checked into some other posts on CCF and found this one particularly interesting https://goccf.com/t/70248&whichpage=1 seems as if there is no right or wrong answer and comes down to personal preference.

Interestingly the slabbed coin by PCGS on page two is labelled 100 degrees CW but the photo shows it anticlockwise. Other threads I found tended to label any rotation less than 180 degrees and either clockwise or anticlockwise. There were examples of both and I don't think either is wrong. I personally would rather label it as say 10 degrees rather than 350 degrees.
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