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Valued Member
Australia
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Just thought I'd get others' thoughts. I am not really interested in error coins, but this caught my eye. With the knowledge I've picked up of the minting process, would I be correct in suggesting this is a big fat fake? (Had a search of forum, a similar coin was labelled a ' Magician's coin' in a 2009 post). --> what does this label mean? That a magician/trickster used it as part of their act? or is that just a fancy name to label it a fake? http://www.ebay.com/itm/DOUBLE-HEAD...t_500wt_1284
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Yes magician's used doubled sided coins years ago,the listing is suss IMO,no pic of the edge of the coin.
2 coins cut in half then glued together !
I've never seen one get that high a price,there is one born every minute is the saying,is'nt it ?
Suggesting using it in 2 up would have gotten you in gaol or killed or bashed severely 50 60 years ago.
I would'nt buy anything from any seller who would mention such a scam in their listing & as for a seam or join they can be easily covered up if you have the know how.
Edited by appleangel07
05/31/2012 07:57 am
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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 you can tell its fake because the obverses are different! One is pre 1948 the other is post. |
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Formerly nancyc
Australia
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you can tell its fake because the obverses are different! Which reminds me, I remember one that was posted here some time ago that had George VI on one side and QEII on the other. life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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One is pre 1948 the other is post. And people bid that up to $115? I'm in the wrong business. |
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Yep, it's been manufactured, by grinding down two separate coins and joining the two halves together. Quote:
as for a seam or join they can be easily covered up if you have the know how. Not much know-how in this instance; you can clearly see parts of the seam-line where the two halves meet in the first pic, running around the rim; most notably at 11 through to 1 o'clock and again at 3 through to 6 o'clock. As for the name, " Magician's coin" is more polite than "conman's coin" or "trickster's coin", which is probably where the vast majority of synthetic two-headed coins found (and still find) their application. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Whilst I agree that this coin is fake I would point out that it is possible for genuine 2 head (or tailed) Australian pennies to exist (such as the 1957 Perth double tailed). I also picked up on the differing obverse dies but even that isn't conclusive proof of dodgyness as it was common for changeovers to occur part way through the year (such as the 1955 and 1956 Perth "mule" pennies) or for old dies to be used years later ( Perth Mint even proposed striking pennies in WWII using leftover dies that they had (from the early 1920's with Geo V). You can also not rule out mint staff striking such coins for their collector value (known to have happened in the 1970's at the Canberra mint) |
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56 bids ouch why are dumb people allowed to list garbage and dumber people buy this
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Well it always comes back to education in your field of collecting,if you don't know then find out,some obviously have'nt done so & just think if someones says it's this or that then it must be & bid foolishly because someone told them it's good it their ad.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I would point out that it is possible for genuine 2 head (or tailed) Australian pennies to exist I am not familiar with the Australian minting process but I know its not possible with United States coinage (about like trying to get a round peg in a square hole) and don't know why they would use a process that it was possible. The dies for the Obverse will not fit where the Reverse Dies are supposed to go and the other way around. So (with US coins anyway) it is definitely impossible for this to happen at the mint, even by mint employees |
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Australia
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Bryan
IIRC there is a single US minted coin that is a genuine double header (or tail?) that occurred back in the 19th century in the year that the obverse/reverse dies swapped position as the anvil die.
Never put it pass enterprising mint staff to find work around methods to subvert the engineering and security systems to produce "foreign orders". On the late night/weekend shifts when managers/security are home (or asleep in their office) it wouldn't be that difficult to take dies to the workshop and jerry rig them into a hydraulic press; strike a few score spectacular errors and then trickle them out onto the market.
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Common sense is not common when this garbage is listed
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Bedrock of the Community
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IIRC there is a single US minted coin that is a genuine double header (or tail?) that occurred back in the 19th century in the year that the obverse/reverse dies swapped position as the anvil die. That would be a double-headed 1859 Indian Head Cent--a single example. No doubt, the swapping of obverse die to anvil position had something to do with it.  |
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