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Any Opinions About The Toning On These? *bigger Photos*

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Okay, okay, I know they are Australian, but we'll just pretend that they are U.S. coins and then this topic can stay here, okay? I personally think that these proof coins are gorgeous. Any thoughts or opinions?

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01/29/2007 9:47 pm
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 Posted 01/28/2007  03:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful coins. If I sold my house I'd buy both and have enough left over for a one bedroom flat somewhere not very nice. One bedroom would be enough because I'm sure my wife would leave me if I did it.
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 Posted 01/28/2007  03:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snooba to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I wish that I owned them! Maybe if I gave my car, my furniture and the house I might put a down-payment on them!
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 Posted 01/28/2007  07:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dockwalliper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Send them to me so I can get a better look.
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 Posted 01/28/2007  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gnome to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If they are proofs...... pretty sure they were done in India in 1965. They were short lived because the Mint/Government put a stop to doing proof restrikes. That's the short version.
Nice looking coins though.
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They sure are pretty. But, how common is it for rainbow toning to appear on both sides, so dramatically? I personally have not seen such even and similar toning on both sides of a US coin. Is it common for Australian coins?
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 Posted 01/28/2007  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I'm not mistaken, proof Aussie copper coins tended to tone and many of them that I saw with the dealers here have slight hues of blue and green with them. But that's a nice one there.
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 Posted 01/28/2007  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Immpossible to tell from the scans provided whether there are real or cooked. I see some shadowing around the devices which is a good sign of natural toning, but the colors as they appear on my monitor are funky. Can't tell.
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I like the color on those. They look very much like the toning I've seen on proofs from the U.K. and South Africa.
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quote:
Okay, okay, I know they are Australian, but we'll just pretend that they are U.S. coins and then this topic can stay here,


There is no restriction that I'm aware of that prohibits Australian coins from the main coin forum ?


The coins are beautiful !! Copper can tone to these colors natually if they live in the right environment long enough.

These ones however look AT to me since the natural process normally begins at the rim and works inwards ,, but they are pretty.

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Immpossible to tell from the scans provided whether there are real or cooked. I see some shadowing around the devices which is a good sign of natural toning, but the colors as they appear on my monitor are funky. Can't tell.


That makes for a nice segue into my question - does the composition and/or climate make a difference in how these coins might tone? On US copper, such colors would be cause for suspicion, although our coins are much more likely to be victimized by coin chefs than Australian issues.

Subjective opinion? Wonderful coins. I'd like to be second in line after Dockwalliper, please.
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 Posted 01/28/2007  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow those are very Beautiful Proof or not
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 Posted 01/28/2007  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldDan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice Snooba, and just keep in mind that in the last 63 years, anything might be possible with these coins. That is a long time for them to 'not' have some toning of some kind appear. So why not have it be the colors that they display!
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 Posted 01/28/2007  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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That makes for a nice segue into my question - does the composition and/or climate make a difference in how these coins might tone? On US copper, such colors would be cause for suspicion, although our coins are much more likely to be victimized by coin chefs than Australian issues.


Composition and climate both play a role in toning. Hot, humid weather accelerates toning.........it is believed the recent Battle Creek Hoard came from such an environment and explains the vibrancy and intensity of the colors. Also, silver tones differently than gold, copper or nickel so the actual composition of a coin will yield different results. That's why the American silver eagles tone so quickly............they are almost pure silver.
Another factor that plays a huge role in how a coin will tone is in the planchet preparation and what type of rinse was used. Apparently this is why Peace dollars tone so poorly compared to their earlier Morgan counterparts.......and why 1921 Morgans are also rarely found with even toning. Different rinse.
Hope this helps a little.


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 Posted 01/28/2007  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WoW!! Gorgeous!!
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 Posted 01/28/2007  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snooba to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Metalman

These ones however look AT to me since the natural process normally begins at the rim and works inwards, but they are pretty.


Yes, that's what I was uncertain about. Have they toned naturally? I am trying to upload a larger photograph of them, but I'm having trouble. I think I'll contact Bobby131313 and ask him to upload the photo so that I can get some more opinions.
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