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There's Something Fishy About This Gold Nugget

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This little nugget looks sorta like a fish to me.
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Golden blob fish
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neat!
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Is it me or it looks like it resembles a fish striking a kissing pose.
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Looks like a Goldfish to me!
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I almost want that nugget and I don't have any gold in natural form yet. Yes, I suppose it is a rare kissing blob gold fish.
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Looks like a turtle?

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With small gold nuggets, their price can often be as much as double the refined spot price. Small time mineral specimen collectors love them.

Enter the fakers.

Melted coin gold can be poured over a height into water filled bucket, with gravel on the bottom of the bucket.

Voila! Fake 'natural' gold nuggets!

BEWARE!

Have a good look at this one. Maybe the same scenario, without the gravel, but perhaps been through a lapidarist's tumbler for a few minutes, to give it a 'genuine' surface.
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Is it me or it looks like it resembles a fish striking a kissing pose.

Nope, Mpc, not just you. When I first looked at the pic of this nugget, my 1st thought was, "Hey, a fish with lips!".
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Penquin, laying on it's side. :)
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I see a penguin, what does that say about my personality?
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Melted coin gold can be poured over a height into water filled bucket, with gravel on the bottom of the bucket.

That "nugget" looks remarkably similar to the silver shot that was given out for the redemption of $1 silver certificates in the 1960s.
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There was a good friend of the family, a jeweler, who did a reasonably good business selling "gold nugget" jewelry by manufacturing nuggets with that water trick. He only used 24k gold so people got what they paid for, solder on a little loop and slide a gold chain through it, and charge a real nice premium for his trouble.
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Melted coin gold can be poured over a height into water filled bucket, with gravel on the bottom of the bucket.

Metal shot is manufactured in this way with the molten metal passing through a screen to establish the drop size and falling from a height to let gravity form the drops into spheres. Water at the bottom both quenches the hot metal and softens the impact so they don't get damaged. That should work for silver and gold too.
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ZWow its jesus reborn! The apocalypse is here.
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If the gold or lead shot is allowed to fall from a great enough height, it will solidify.

To make fake gold nuggets the gold is poured from a very low height, so it has nowhere enough time to solidify. It hits the water in a molten state, and changes into random shapes. The shapes can be very roughly controlled by the drop height.

Same applies to the depth of water. If the depth of water is too great, small pieces of gravel will not stick to the gold, because it would have already solidified.

It follows that the drop height through air must be small, and the depth of water must also be shallow.
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