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I just received some of the 2012 birth sets...mostly because I wanted the proof Kennedy's and couldn't wait.
I took one of the Kennedy's out and found that it is a SILVER PROOF.... No copper band on the edge...pure white and also the typical "whiter" appearance when viewed head on next to a clad proof...did anyone else happen to check their sets or notice this?
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That would be really interesting. The only way to tell is to weigh the coin. Are you able to take out the coin, without damaging anything? Or if there is a way to get the weight of another set and compare weights of the 2 sets?
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What about the ATB Quarter and the Dime ? Is it Silver too ....  .... ? I would think that if the Kennedy was Silver that the Quarter and Dime would be as well. Would have been a neater little Set if it had a Burnished ASE in there too though.....  Only the first of all the quarters released are in there each year too.... .....not really understanding that one....and no Native Dollar.......oh well....it is what it is. I'm betting that this Set will not be that "collectible" though, in the long run. The only thing different about anything here is the "packaging" (as per normal from the Mint) --- repackaging the same coins over and over in the same year and calling them "different products", which just increases sales of the same crap. Like how about putting a "West Point Dime" in this Birth Year Set ? 1/10 ounce AGE or Buffalo ? Something special.....ANYTHING SPECIAL PLEASE ! But no.......it's just plane Jane....status quo. I, for one, " will" wait for my Kennedys through the Uncirc, Proof, and Silver Proof sets ! .....  Even if there was a "birth" for me to celebrate..... I don't think I'd buy this Set. Nothing special here at all.....and it's even lacking a "completeness" with all the years coins. The "packaging" is just a momentary distraction from the entirety of what you actually have here...... WHICH IS NOT MUCH !Silver Kennedy or not ! .....  Edited by eaglefoot
03/22/2012 12:24 pm
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Yes... I weighed the 2012 -vs- a 2011 clad proof. The 2011 Clad proof kennedy weighs 11 grams The 2012 from the birthset weighs 13 grams! I attahces a couple pics... The face on view is much more obvious when you are looking at them....the 2012 is much whiter like a typical silver proof. The other pic is an attempt to show the edges....the 2012 is pure white...while the 2011 is what you would expect from a clad. Hmmmm....wonder what I should do with these...the silver proof sets aren't scheduled to come out until June... Maybe I can send them to PCGS for a "Super Early Release" Designation! Let me know if anyone else found the same thing.... made my day.  |
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No...the dime and the quarter are clad....must have been a mint packaging error....but a nice one that actually makes this set worth the money I paid for it. Sometimes being impatient pays off!
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Here's the edge view.....it's definitely a silver proof half...kind of like finding a franklin when roll searching! Nice thing is that I got ten of them and they are all the same. Gotta love the mint when they make this kind of error.  |
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That is a pretty amazing packaging error. I wonder how many more sets are like that?
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I'm not yet sure that this IS a packaging error..... Were your other Sets clad then, I presume, since you are calling it an error ? You said you had more than one I think. Just trying to clarify. |
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I got ten sets... all of them had silver kennedy's....the packaging said they are supposed to be clad, and the dime and quarter are clad.
If the mint included these in some sets by mistake...doesn't this still set the clock ticking for early release/first strike designation... since the actual silver proof sets are not due out for over a month....technically they should not be eligible for early release designation since it is more than 30 days after the first ones (by mistake) were released...this could get interesting.
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That is amazing you got 10 sets with silver halves.
Email PCGS, ANACS, and NGC and see what they say about early release. I doubt they would put it on a slab though.
The key would be to have them slabbed before the US Mint releases them for sale.
The thing is, you don't know how many silver halves have been already minted. Early release means it was struck early on the dies. Hence they'll have a better strike.
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03/22/2012 1:59 pm
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Early release means it was struck early on the dies. UMM...No it doesn't. Quote:
The problem is that, during production, the U.S. Mint does not keep track of the order in which they mint coins. Also, the U.S. Mint usually begins production several weeks to several months before the coins are officially released. By the release dates for the 2005 and 2006 bullion coins, the U.S. Mint had already minted approximately 50% of the total projected mintage for these coins. The dates on shipping labels and packing slips do not necessarily correlate to the date of manufacture. This is all clearly stated on the U.S. Mint's website under Consumer Awareness. Just a marketing ploy...plain and simple! |
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Indeed, amida17.
"Early Releases®" has nothing to do with die states.
"First Strike®" has nothing to do with being struck early (as the Mint actually keeps all coins they, themselves, designate as First Strike as well as Last Strike in their vaults for reference).
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First Strike and Early Release are marketing scams, since the Mint doesn't designate them as such.
What it is supposed to mean (or implies) is that the first few thousand coins struck will be better than the 100,000th coin struck. It has to do with die states. A late state die won't have a strong strike like an early state die, due to wear on the die.
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03/22/2012 3:36 pm
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I agree that the TPG company designations of first strike and early release are scams and have nothing to do with when a coin was actually struck or how good the strike is. My question is will this mistake of including the silver proof kennedy in this set start the scam clock ticking... PCGS and NCG require that a coin be postmarked within 30 days of initial release. I'm wondering if this will count as the initial release ... which would make all the silver proof kennedy;s in the actual silver proof sets which comes out in June ineligible.... I guess I'll give PCGS a call on this one. |
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Yes, let us know what they say. I think it is interesting, since it is out before they have released the silver proof sets, so you could get a slab designated as such and have it carry more value.
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Wow. An error in your favour.  I know you weighed them, but I would like to know if the tissue test has been done for extra confirmation. |
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