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71 MS-65 Ikes...pffftttt Right.

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And here is why I say PCGS and NGC both are over rated crooks...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-P-Ike-...em27c2e827a4

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-P-Ike-...em2a190f1d5b

If either of these is MS65, I will kiss Jbuck full on the mouth.

I mean the fingerprint on the PCGS, it looks like it was dusted by a CSI unit.
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the fingerprint on the PCGS, it looks like it was dusted by a CSI unit.




could not agree more!...
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Like the thumb print, eh? Don't worry... I have a fix for this issue. Can't tell you yet though.

:)
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Is the E in ONE on the ngc an octagon allusion, or what/
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Wow, I must have some MS65 Ikes as well then!
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I buy Ikes off ebay and when I'm searching coins to buy I don't even waste my time looking at ones graded MS-65. I can't remember the last time I saw one that I would buy.
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 Posted 03/30/2012  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If either of these is MS65, I will kiss Jbuck full on the mouth.
Oh my!

I suppose I can now claim that all of my circulation found business strike Eisenhower dollars are at least MS-65!
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I can only assume the TPGs simply hold no regard for the series. Actually, they probably have no regard for circulating coins from the clad era, period.

I mean, I can understand it in a way... If I'm at the coin shop, I'm not going to go all gaga if I see some 1970s quarter in nice gemmy condition. But they get paid to grade these just the same, they should do their job.
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I thought you would appreciate that JBuck.

And as there is NO WAY those are MS65, I knew I wouldnt have to follow through.

Seriously though, modern or not, if you are going to grade a coin, GRADE IT. You might be able to make the argument that when they were graded the fingerprints had not shown up yet (the NGC has a print on bottom right, at the trunk of his neck). But there are enough scratches dings and outright gouges that if I were completely drunk, I might give them a 62.

The more I see like this, the more I say, ANACS and IGC are just fine.
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maybe they ran out of ms-60- 64 containers and had only 65's available
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I can only assume the TPGs simply hold no regard for the series.

You have no idea how true that statement is

The links posted are a great example of why I have hundreds
of Ike's in storage that have been cherry picked over the past
4 years that I have been collecting them, that will not see a
Third Party Grading service until their grading of the series
becomes much more on target and much more consistent. I have
seen a lot of them graded pretty much where they should be
But I have seen a scary amount that have been graded like
those linked above
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http://www.ikegroup.info/?page_id=32

Not to get too far ahead of myself. But I will be working with the Ike Group and a few upper tier Ike collectors this summer and fall to write a book about the grading of Eisenhower dollars in mint state. I can't get in to too many details about the project because we are pitching it to Whitman and Krause for full blown publication- but for those of you who want to be able to really get to the heart of what an Ike should grade out and whether what's in a slab is fair... trust me, we hear you. And... as much as GradeView will be an exciting project for us to participate in... it's the tip of the iceberg as to what lies ahead this year for the series.

71-MS-65-Ikes...pffftttt-Right.
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That graphic is very well done. I approve.
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There's a fingerprint on the NGC one too if you look closely enough. Lower right quadrant of the obverse.
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I have seen a lot of them graded pretty much where they should be But I have seen a scary amount that have been graded like those linked above


So? send your 65s in and have them graded 68, then dump them.
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as much as GradeView will be an exciting project for us to participate in... it's the tip of the iceberg as to what lies ahead this year for the series.


Will Littleton look at this as a help to them buying all those Ikes?
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