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I have a 1921 Morgan and a 1922 Peace dollar in my posession. been studying them for a few days and I want to say they're dmpl's...but I'm not sure. The morgan has an awesome blue toning so I can't really get the mirroring effect from it, but you can tell from a few feet away that the mirronring is different from a normal dollar. Have taken pictures in a kinds of angels and lightning so see if the camera could detect and polishing lines, but couldn't find any. So I believe that it hasn't been polished The Peace dollar has more of a mirroring effect than the morgan, and no polishing lines that I have detected. But is there another way of determining that it is a dmpl strike? I tried to get some sort of glare effect from the coins, and since it was bad artificial lighting, they turned out the way they did. Will try to use natural light next time. But what do you guys think? Dmpl or just wishful thinking?     |
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Peace dollars are never labeled as PL or DMPL only Morgan dollars. To figure out the difference takes years of experience and even experts will argue the point, generally it's how far one can discern newsprint on the reflective fields of the dollar, more than 4" for a DMPL. Here is a quick tutorial on the differences. http://coins.about.com/od/uscoins/f..._morgans.htmand here at CCF was a good thread showing a photo of the newsprint being read off the surface of a PL coin; https://goccf.com/t/96087My opinion is the 1921 you show is not PL or DMPL, 1921 have a very different look, and a DMPL while not unheard of is extremely rare. PL in 1921 dollars are still pretty tough to find and will always bring a good premium. John Highfill's encyclopedia of silver dollars had some great info in it as does Wayne Millers book on morgan and Peace dollars, both talk about the relative rarity of each date/mm in PL and DMPL, believe me a HUGE difference can apply on some dates (in excess of five figure,s easily, mostly in the late 1890's dates and mm). Here is a price guide from PCGS showing Morgan dollars, each date/mm has a separate column for PL and DMPL, notice many are not even listed in DMPL; http://www.pcgs.com/Prices/PriceGui...organ+DollarFor example a MS65 1921 in MS65 might bring $200 while a MS65 of the same coin in DMPL will bring $25k+ Jack Lee is a collector that had some of the finest known DMPL dollars in existence, and he paid huge premiums back when there was no real standard, just on the basis of his knowledge of which date/mm were next to impossible to find in PL or DMPL. http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/all...t.aspx?s=148Notice in his highest grade set (top set in condition ever assembled) he had only one single DMPL coin. The current all time highest grade in registry sets in DMPL coins is here: http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/all...aspx?s=15202Some real stunners in that collection! Have a look at that last link to see what top end DMPL dollars look like most have links with photos. Also note how many coins in the same grade share the poulation and how many better coins exist currently (not many at all). Ash Harrison's (ashmore) set is unbelievable and contains a lot of Wyane Miller's ex-collection coins.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
03/28/2012 4:41 pm
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oh....thanks alot westcoin..that helped.
epikur
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Great post west. I really enjoyed the links you posted along with your comments.
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Glad to be of service! Thanks for the nice comments guys.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Striking quality (i.e., strong or weak strike) as I understand it has little to do with PL or DMPL status. Even coins with mushy details can have deep mirrors. Coins with strong reflectivity are usually the result of the dies being highly polished right before the particular coin is struck. The polish effect wears off as the dies are used so the coins generated by those dies gradually become less prooflike. Both your coins appear to have some circulation wear so they could not qualify as any mint state grade. For what it's worth, I have never seen a circulated Morgan dollar designated as DMPL or PL. That's apparently not unheard of for other denominations, however; I have an 1876 double eagle graded AU-58 by ANACS.  |
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Notice in his highest grade set (top set in condition ever assembled) he had only one single DMPL coin. The current all time highest grade in registry sets in DMPL coins is here: That literally makes me sick to look at that registry set. Unbelievable! |
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Yes, great post westcoin!
To summarize, PL and DPL or DMPL are determined by the clarity of reflectivity in the fields, not the strike.
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Posted 03/28/2012 4:45 pm
, epikur!
