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Philippines 1904-S Peso With Counterstamp

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 Posted 04/09/2012  01:21 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add malikot to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,I'm new to this hobby and I need your oppinion on this coin " Philippines 1904S with Chinese and (San Juan)Puerto Rico Countermark. The coin is well circulated. My Question is " Is it possible that after the countermark of Puerto Rico the coin was keep and never circulated again? or The Puerto Rico countermark is a FAKE? . I ask 3 coin dealer in our area about this coin and 2 said its authentic (They check the actual coin) and the 1 dealer said its fake( He only saw the coin in photo through email not actual). But anyways, I still need more oppinion. Thanks for your help. Below is the photo of the actual coin and the 2 image is for reference only

Actual Coin below:
Philippines-1904-S-Peso-With-Counterstamp
Philippines-1904-S-Peso-With-Counterstamp
Philippines-1904-S-Peso-With-Counterstamp
Philippines-1904-S-Peso-With-Counterstamp


below photo is for reference only.
Philippines-1904-S-Peso-With-Counterstamp
Philippines-1904-S-Peso-With-Counterstamp
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 Posted 04/09/2012  01:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nicwinner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
no problem for that one peso
"Is it possible that after the countermark of Puerto Rico the coin was keep and never circulated again?" I don't think so.
nice country stamp, bad chops.
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 Posted 04/09/2012  02:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malikot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nicwinner @ Thanks for your reply / oppinion. I really appreciate it
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 Posted 09/15/2012  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malikot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
any info with this coin?
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 Posted 09/15/2012  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't see the details clearly but it seems the head is facing the other direction? Could be because of the photo.
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 Posted 09/18/2012  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Malikot! very nice 1904S you have there. it looks good.

The chinese chops clearly overlaps over the Puerto Rico emblem, and it has more than one chop, which means that coin was a real great world traveler

First it got minted in San Francisco USA in 1904, then traveled to the Philippines where it went circulating around, then found it's way to Puerto Rico which at that time was lacking its own circulating coins, so it got the Puerto Rico emblem stamped on it to make it it's legal currency coin, then somehow it traveled back to the Philippines, probably carried by chinese traders, where it got chopped in chinese characters to become legal tender among the chinese traders, since there are variants in the chinese language it got chopped in different chinese ways.

Finally after more than 100 years, it landed in your lap, nice coin! I would bid on it if it appeared in a coin auction

Over here we have lots of collectors specializing in Chopped Philippine peso coins, because there's a lot of history there...
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 Posted 09/19/2012  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Honestly I'm surprised you paid like $230 for it. I believe this is a modern concoction.
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 Posted 09/22/2012  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malikot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
= gxseries @ Can't see the details clearly but it seems the head is facing the other direction? Could be because of the photo. =

gxseries, the direction of the head is the same direction as of the San Juan, Puerto Rico's Logo. Sorry about the poor quality of the photo. Thanks !
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 Posted 09/22/2012  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malikot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nic, Thanks for the Info.
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 Posted 09/22/2012  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malikot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Numismat, Actually I will go higher more $500 for this coin. I'm just very curious about this piece. Thanks
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 Posted 09/24/2012  03:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The problem is that this counterstamp does not appear to be in archival reference materials and kind of just popped up out of nowhere. Combined with the fact that they are all coming from the same seller, who happens to have somewhat of a history with shady dealing, and it seems all too suspicious.
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 Posted 09/24/2012  07:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The head facing the other way could just be the indentation of the countermark at the other side of the coin. very often deformation occurs on the other side of the counterstrike, it's not bad, it just makes the coin more genuine as you can actually see the direction of how the countermarks was punched

Thanks too malikot, nice coin
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 Posted 09/24/2012  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malikot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Numistat @ That's why right now I'm contacting the City of San Juan, Puerto Rico to trace the history of this counter marks. Anyways, I have see a San Juan Proof coin, PLease see below.
Philippines-1904-S-Peso-With-Counterstamp
Philippines-1904-S-Peso-With-Counterstamp
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 Posted 09/25/2012  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thats a great looking san juan silver coin! is it crown size?
btw- our last auction had a 1903 Phil Peso with 3 chopmarks that sold for us$95 it was in EF. countermark with chops are valued more
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 Posted 02/08/2016  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malikot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
any info on this? Thanks
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 Posted 02/08/2016  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgenn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
That's why right now I'm contacting the City of San Juan, Puerto Rico to trace the history of this counter marks.


After 3-1/2 years, what have you found out?

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