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1820 Half Crown. Nice Toned. Need Value

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 Posted 04/11/2012  06:24 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Lenikas to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
hi guys,
what can be worth this coin?
does this nice toning gives extra value?
Coin is 1820 uncirculated half crown from George IV reign.


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 Posted 04/11/2012  07:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin is WAY better than mine, and would fit very nicely in any collection.

I cannot see any wear at all except on the leaves of the to the right of the crown and shield. Excellent definition in the legends. No signs of even minor rim bruising. Bit hard to find tiny nicks or scratches under the patination, so I will say there isn't any.

Uncirculated. The only thing that holds it back is (perhaps) the wear mentioned. Cannot make up mind if there is wear, or that the patination is just a little lighter at these points.

As far as toning is concerned, that is in the eye of the beholder. Just imagine what one of these looked like, when it was freshly minted. In my opinion, such a coin that had retained it's mint fresh appearance would indeed be a rare coin today, and would command a substantial premium for this reason. I have never seen even a picture of a George 1V half crown that is absolutely mint fresh, without any patination at all.

With this coin, if there is no wear, and if without fine hairlines, in the American system, could go as high as MS63.
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 Posted 04/11/2012  1:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Truthfully speaking this 2s6s is MUCH better than the same one I have. The price range should be around, and no less than 700£ yet I am not an expert by any means. It looks like some of the toning is removed professionally at some time. It may be preserved within beeswax, which was a very popular method back in the 1800's.
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 Posted 04/11/2012  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Anaximander to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coin Collectors GB 2012 rates this coin as follows:
EF = £250
BUNC= £500
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 Posted 04/20/2012  07:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lenikas to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
today I took the coin outside to make some better pictures in sunshine :)
LOOK AT THIS BEAUTY :)
i would say BU coin.

1820-Half-Crown.-Nice-Toned.-Need-Value

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1820-Half-Crown.-Nice-Toned.-Need-Value

1820-Half-Crown.-Nice-Toned.-Need-Value

1820-Half-Crown.-Nice-Toned.-Need-Value

1820-Half-Crown.-Nice-Toned.-Need-Value

1820-Half-Crown.-Nice-Toned.-Need-Value

1820-Half-Crown.-Nice-Toned.-Need-Value

1820-Half-Crown.-Nice-Toned.-Need-Value

1820-Half-Crown.-Nice-Toned.-Need-Value

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 Posted 04/20/2012  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lenikas to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
any comments on my new pictures, guys?
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 Posted 04/20/2012  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a wonderful strike and a beautiful coin.

However to be honest it looks like someone has worked on the fields a bit to remove toning.
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 Posted 04/21/2012  02:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lenikas: With those pictures, you are really being hard on your coins.
A professional grading service uses a 10 x loupe to grade coins. These pictures on the screen are a much higher magnification.

I detect the slightest amount of wear on the highest points only of the design, and there are numerous tiny nicks that probably would not be seen with the unaided eye.

British silver around this period is always superbly struck.

Almost uncirculated, EF 58 in the American grading system.
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 Posted 04/21/2012  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lenikas to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thank you for your comments guys. I was inspecting this coin closer today and I haven't spotted any wear even on highest details. I agree with some nicks on obverse but to be honest is it so bad to be graded just EF58?
i would never ever let it go for 200GPB.. in my opinion it is uncirculated and these tiny nicks can be appeared during mint process(coins hitting each other) or I'm wrong?
I appreciate your future comments :) thanks in advance
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 Posted 04/21/2012  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For me a mint state coin has to have full unbroken luster and no evidence of wear.
If the luster is broken, then it was broken through light even wear, sliding in a cabinet, or other rubbing. Then it becomes near unc or AU.

Tiny nicks do not keep a coin from being graded mint state, just how high in the MS range.
MS-60 coins often have an abundance of tiny bag marks but maintain full luster and no evidence of wear.
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 Posted 04/21/2012  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Numismaster lists XF $525 and UNC $935. AU-58 is between these two grades and thus should be about $700 = £435.
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