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1804 Capped Bust Eagle

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Wow! Those are some really beautiful gold coins!
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 Posted 04/12/2012  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In addition to your 1804 Half Eagle (with ballpark values if authentic)...
You have an 1836 Classic Head Quarter Eagle ($400-$500)
1908 Indian Head Quarter Eagle ($200-$300)
and an 1851 Type I Gold Dollar ($150-$200)

Yep, nice entrance and nice pictures. The color on the 1804 is not suspect to me. It's about 92% gold and 8% copper. The 25mm diameter is dead on and the weight should be 8.75 grams, so if your scale doesn't go to tenths, good there too. The edge should be reeded, and it looks to be. The only other thing I can say is Wow!
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Since all of these coins are heavily toned, and there is a dark substance in in parts, I am thinking that they may have had boot polish gently rubbed over them, perhaps for preservation.

If it is organic, perhaps acetone may remove tha black stuff. Could also give the gold the richer tone that it should have. If you wish to do this, considering their value, best to get someone who knows what they are doing. Whatever you do, don't attempt to RUB the black stuff off. Pat gently with an acetone soaked rag at most.
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 Posted 04/12/2012  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scropper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! The color really threw me off.

In light of the other coins that were with this one, the plausibility of it being genuine goes up significantly.

I don't know that I'd try to clean these coins myself if I was just starting out. I'd probably pay a conservation service to do it.

Do you intend to keep or sell the coins? If you intend to sell them (which I hope you don't!), you could sell one of the less scarce issues to finance the certification and preservation of the rarer ones.

What a wonderful gift, Lulu! (hopefully) congratulations!

(And thank you for the education sel_69l and SuperDave!)
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 Posted 04/12/2012  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Send them in to NGC or PCGS to find out if they are real or not. To be honest, I have seen counterfeit indians that looked close to the real thing so you never know, sometimes the counterfeits look close to the real thing nowadays
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If they are genuine, you might have some big money there... I hope for your sake everything is... And to the community!
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Beautiful coins! All appear genuine with the 1804 Draped Bust Half Eagle being the crown jewel on this group by a country mile!

You've received some excellent advice in the previous posts. If you have follow-up questions, just ask and we'll try to help.

In the meantime, do not handle the coins unless necessary and only hold them by the rims (edges). I would buy a few inexpensive holders such as Air-Tites or Kointains to protect them.
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 Posted 04/13/2012  01:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lulu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the comments and I think the next step is to get them certified.
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and I'll add my WOW! Grand entrance is right. Your coins look fine to me. That 1804 is a keeper! SuperDave's comments are right on the money, I don't see anything wrong with it other than an old cleaning at worst, looks genuine to my eyes, but still, a coin like this should be in a slab, I'd choose PCGS if it were me, just since they are the top tier TPG company right now. The other coins could be gradded as well, but I see no real need to do so on them, they have more value as gold and sentimental probably than the slabs would end up costing, though if you go the PCGS route, you will sign up for their collectors club and receive some free certificates for grading your coins, the 1804 won't qualify as it's value is too high, the others would work though, then the 1804 could be graded in their secure plus holder on the same invoice. If you do send them in you want to be sure to package them securely and insure the package, I don't know what Canada uses, but on coins such as these I ship Registered Mail, it's the most secure mail form the US has.
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 Posted 04/13/2012  07:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you wish to send the 1804 away, I would partner with a reputable local dealer to get it done. Many will "piggyback" your coin on submissions of their own; it may cost you an extra buck or two for their effort but you'd save on the cost of a PCGS membership (I strongly advise that PCGS be the firm if you're going to do this).

Here's the list of PCGS-affiliated dealers in Canada:

http://www.pcgs.com/dealers/default...2&mn=1&cc=CA
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I think that 1804 half eagle is a thing of beauty. "Crusty" coppery gold is very popular with collectors(including myself), because it is often an indication of originality, the coin hasn't been dipped, cleaned or messed with. I would prefer it that way over a the look of untoned gold.....and many other collectors would agree. I think that one will bring really strong value at an auction...I would go through Heritage if you intend to sell.
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I agree with the others, certify this gal. VFish Classic gold such as this, will take on that copper-orange tone which IMO, is quite attractive. Anyways, welcome to the CCF! That is one beautiful gold coin!
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Imo for what its worth, I wouldnt send the 1804 into pcgs where there is a chance it would receive a genuine grade; where NGC would give you a details grade. I think the light cleaning on the 1804 would prevent it from being 'gradeable'
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algol: you have a very valid point. When it comes to cleaning best left alone.

With such a valuable coin, if TPG grading is considered, would you trust it to the Post, even with certified or registered mail?
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and thanks for sharing your lovely coins with us.
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