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Australia
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I would like to get people's opinions on what classifies a variety coin and what classifies as an error coin. My interpretation is that a variety coin is one that exhibits the reverse/obverse of the actual die itself that differs slightly from the original eg the 2000 50c incuse An error coin is one that differs from the original design and exhibits features not original engraved into the die eg Cuds, doubling etc Based on the above would the 1981 20c Dot Cud coin and the 1981 20c Die Chip coin as listed in McDonals be classified as varities per se or error coins What do you think? |
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To quote one of the U.S.'s most notable variety experts: Quote:
There have been numerous breakdowns and explanations posted here in the past, and the subject seems to be under some debate among people who have been doing this for years - but the correct answer as defined a few decades ago that was followed closely by all the experts in the field until recently is basically this:
If the oddity happened ON the die BEFORE it was hung on the press to mint coins, it is a die variety.
Otherwise it is an error.
-coppercoins Edited by amida17
04/14/2012 12:02 am
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Easy If it was something to do with the die it's a variety. Type 1: different die being made or used i.e. big head / small head 20c, or an incused, or a mule Type 2: a die starts to fail i.e. die crack or Cud. Usually a variety can be seen on numerous examples of coins, and are consistent. An error is when it wasn't supposed to have happened in normal stamping production. I.e. a misstrike, broad strike, out of collar, brokerage There are usually very few examples of these, and you will rarely get 2 the same. Then there are coins that I consider neither error nor variety: Like laminated planchet peels, as these appear after a period of time due to strain on the planchet bringing them to the surface. They are the product of a flawed planchet with impurities. |
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I think that sums it up pretty well amida. I would classify the two cons mentioned as errors as they dies were ot manufactured to have a chip or a Cud producing depression. |
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CCF Numismatic Glossary
error
A numismatic item that unintentionally varies from the norm. Ordinarily, overdates are not errors since they were done intentionally while other die-cutting "mistakes" are considered errors. Double dies, planchet clips, off-metal strikings, etc. also are errors.
variety
A coin of the same date and basic design as another but with slight differences. PCGS recognizes all major varieties while there are thousands of minor varieties, most of which have significance only to specialists of the particular series. After hubbed dies, introduced in the 1840s, varieties are mainly variations in date and mintmark size and placement.
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The over dates are considered a variety coin as well  |
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Australia
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I wouldnt classify a die crack or Cud as a variety, rather an error as it was not tooled intentionally into the die. |
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Australia
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I would have thought a mule qualifies as an error.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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 with ozcoin I would classify a mule as an error |
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I would also class a flawed planchet as an error regardless of when it becomes obvious.
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Thanks to all for replies In particular, how would you class the 2 1981 20c coins? Were the dot Cud + die chip part of the dies used? |
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Australia
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It is my opinion that if there is a deliberate design change by the mint to the coin it is a variety. If there is an unintended change to the coin ( eg cracks Cuds etc) then it is an error |
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Australia
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with Australian Coin. An Error can turn into a Variety, but a variety can't turn into an error. There are many examples of Errors made on dies but these turn into varieties because thousands are made. A Cud is a variety, a die crack is a variety,the 2000 dollar mule is a variety,the 1931 dropped 1 penny is a variety,the 1962 double nose penny is a variety.Date doubling is a variety.The 1981 20c are varieties. Although they are technically errors they magically turn into varieties as thousands are produced. Planchet flaws are errors as they are usually unique, misstrikes are errors as they are usually unique. |
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airgem.
What is the "magical" number that makes an error become a variety?
Please justify why your number is correct.
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Quote:because thousands are made. A Cud is a variety, a die crack is a variety,the 2000 dollar mule is a variety,the 1931 dropped 1 penny is a variety,the 1962 double nose penny is a variety.Date doubling is a variety.The 1981 20c are varieties. Although they are technically errors they magically turn into varieties as thousands are produced. Planchet flaws are errors as they are usually unique, misstrikes are errors as they are usually unique. These are normally referred to as ERROR varieties and not as varieties in their own right An error is an error regardless of the amount minted,Just because thousands were produced they are still error coins. A variety is a deliberate change in the design by the mint |
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Did a further search effort, but I found out there are heaps of different definitions and what people call a specific coin, like die variations
There no one single meaning for just variety
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Posted 04/14/2012 12:38 am
