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Bust Dollars 1804 Draped Bust, Heraldic Eagle Reverse

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 Posted 04/19/2012  12:30 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Russ to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi I need some help with this coin I have. Someone told me it could be worth alot of money. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

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 Posted 04/19/2012  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Russ, not very likely, a poor copy at best.
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 Posted 04/19/2012  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not that I dont trust you but do you know anyone in southern Calif. that I can take them to? For a second opinion. And are there any indicators I should know about?
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 Posted 04/19/2012  12:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Your coin is without a doubt a fake and a poor one at that. It is not composed of silver, it is either a white metal alloy or steel- check with a magnet. It will be significantly light, a genuine example would weigh 26.96 grams. I would also assume that your counterfeit has a reeded edge like a typical 1804 counterfeit. The 1804 Dollar is one of the great rarities in numismatics, only fifteen examples are known, and it is one of the most highly counterfeited dates for that very reason.
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 Posted 04/19/2012  12:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joe2007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the forums but I have to agree that your coin is a reproduction and is most likely not silver.
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 Posted 04/19/2012  01:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow you are right magnet sticks, it does have a ridged edge. Oh well thanks for the help guys! GREAT FORUM!
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 Posted 04/19/2012  07:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you want a copy of one of these that is exactly what you will get. The real ones are made out of an extermely rare alloy, known as 'unobtainium'.
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 Posted 04/19/2012  10:57 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome. Fake as they come.
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 Posted 04/19/2012  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add copper nickel daddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The real ones are made out of an extermely rare alloy, known as 'unobtainium'.


Thanks for that; first good laugh of the day!
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Quote:
If you want a copy of one of these that is exactly what you will get. The real ones are made out of an extermely rare alloy, known as 'unobtainium'.


Yes, and if you ever happen to get your hands on one....a Na'vi tribe from Pandora will hunt you down.
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 Posted 04/19/2012  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I concur. This is without a doubt a counterfeit.
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 Posted 04/19/2012  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
a real one would make you rich
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 Posted 04/19/2012  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
unobtainium'.

This should go into the Numismatic Glossary
Thanks Sel!
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 Posted 04/19/2012  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scropper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry to break it to you Russ, but this is definitely not real.

If you're in Southern California, you're welcome to take it straight in to PCGS. They're in Newport Beach. Sometimes they have an open house day where clients can walk coins in. They don't publicize it much. Usually the third or fourth Friday of the month, I believe. You can call them and find out if you like.

Heritage Auctions has an office in Beverly Hills. You could take it to them and one of their experts could check it out for you.

There are a few other brick and mortars in So Cal. But So Cal is a big place. Check the ANA's web site for a dealer close by you.

You could also take the coin with you to the Long Beach Coin Show end of May. There will be a lot of experts there that can tell you the same thing everyone here is telling you.

Sorry, it's a fake.

But welcome! Do you have any other coins you want us to look at?
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 Posted 04/19/2012  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scropper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, and if you're still not satisfied, here is some information. You can compare yours to the real deal yourself:

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/CoinDe...x?s=6907&g=1

You may need to register to see that page, I'm not sure.

First, you can see that the face and hair are completely different. The letters are completely different. The stars are completely different. The rim is completely different.

Second, you can see that yours is shiny, and if it were real, it wouldn't be because 200 year old silver doesn't shine unless it has been polished or cleaned. If your coin had been polished, it wouldn't be uneven and have black marks all over it.

Third, there are a dozen or so of these in the entire world. There were 8 minted originally, then a few more later. There are about a ba-jillion (that's the technical term, I believe) fakes. So your odds of running into a $10M coin are pretty low to begin with. But then the fact that it's made of a base metal rather than silver, et cetera, certainly doesn't help.

I'm terribly sorry that your coin isn't real. I honestly wish it were! It would be quite exciting to have another 1804 discovered here on ol' coin community.

Best of luck.
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 Posted 04/19/2012  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys for all the good info, and a few good laughs. I didn't realize how rare the real deal was. Came across a stack of these "Silver dollars" ranging from 1795 to 1968. All of them clinged to the magnet, so I guess I've got a stack of fakes. Anyway thanks for the forum, it's because of places like this that a guy can obtain the "unobtainable"

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