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I'm trying to collect mint and proof sets from 1959 forward to get a fairly comprehensive modern collection, but there are still some things missing. I know there are no mint OR proof sets in 1965, 66, or 67. It appears that nothing was made with a mint mark, so I need just one set. The Special Mint Sets issued in those years seem to cover all my needs. I also know that I can get the 82 and 83 Souvenir Sets from the Philadelphia and Denver Mints to fill in for the missing uncirculated sets. The 1996W dime is supposed to come with the 96 mint set. What am I missing? There are notations in my Red Book that the dollars are missing from the 71, 72, and 99 mint sets. I saw a set of 99 SBA dollars to cover the P & D coins and the Red Book doesn't list a 1999S SBA dollar so that takes care of 99, I think. For the 71 and 72 Ikes, I've seen things called "Blue Ikes" and "Brown Ikes". It appears that I can get an 'S' mint uncirculated Blue Ike or an 'S' mint proof Brown Ike. Are the Brown Ike boxes the same size and shape as the other proof boxes? What's my best option to get the 71 and 72 P&D Ikes? Are there any packaged like other uncirculated coins, even if by a third-party? Am I missing anything else that isn't an error, type variety, commemorative, or bullion? Sorry for all the inquiries. I'm just getting started and the more answers I get the more questions I seem to have! I have hope, though. After a lot of research I think I have more answers than questions about U.S. stamps. I'm a babe in the woods with coins now, but I'm a quick learner!
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Quote: I also know that I can get the 82 and 83 Souvenir Sets from the Philadelphia and Denver Mints to fill in for the missing uncirculated sets. Assuming you are collecting them as annual sets and not filling an album, that would be a good solution. However, the 82 and 83 souvenir sets have large premiums so getting an aftermarket "mint set" might be a less-expensive alternative. Quote: The 1996W dime is supposed to come with the 96 mint set.
Yes, just make sure it is included when you purchase the set as that dime was in a separate cello from the other coins. Quote:the Red Book doesn't list a 1999S SBA The 1999 proof SBA was the first circulating design proof minted at Philly since 1964 so it has a P mintmark and was sold separately from the 1999 Proof Set. Quote: Are the Brown Ike boxes the same size and shape as the other proof boxes? The black slab holding the Ike is approximately the same size 3 3/8"x5 3/8" but I am not sure how large the box is. Quote: What's my best option to get the 71 and 72 P&D Ikes? The P&D 71s and 72s were only released as business strikes but the mintages were huge so you should not have a problem finding decent Unc examples. For 1976, do not forget the Unc and Proof 3 coin 40% silver Bicentennial Sets.
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Quote: For the 71 and 72 Ikes, I've seen things called "Blue Ikes" and "Brown Ikes". It appears that I can get an 'S' mint uncirculated Blue Ike or an 'S' mint proof Brown Ike. Are the Brown Ike boxes the same size and shape as the other proof boxes? Blue Ikes, 71-74s BU, come one coin to a semi-glossy blue mint-set size envelope. Brown Ikes, 71-74s PR, come ridiculously overpackaged, one coin to a hard proof-set size case, which would have fit into the same size cardboard holder. Instead, to justify overcharging $10 for a single coin, that case was put in an oversize flimsy codbod box with a hole so you could see both sides. The whole mess slid into a fake woodgrain codbod sleeve with a tacky "gold" decal, with no date on it anywhere. The whole contraption was as big as two proof sets, and twice as thick. Did I mention flimsy? Quote: What's my best option to get the 71 and 72 P&D Ikes? Are there any packaged like other uncirculated coins, even if by a third-party? Some dealer has prolly come up with a holder, but basically, they're sold loose.
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 Also, for 2005-2010, the UNC sets from the Mint had a satin finish, so to get the regular ones for circulation, you'd have to get them from rolls or buy BU ones from a dealer. Good luck. It is a great collection to have and keep us posted on your progress. 
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Quote: Q: I also know that I can get the 82 and 83 Souvenir Sets from the Philadelphia and Denver Mints to fill in for the missing uncirculated sets.
A: Assuming you are collecting them as annual sets and not filling an album, that would be a good solution. However, the 82 and 83 souvenir sets have large premiums so getting an aftermarket "mint set" might be a less-expensive alternative. You're not kidding they're pricey, but I was lucky to find a set as a part of a larger lot and got them for under $200. Quote: Q: The 1996W dime is supposed to come with the 96 mint set.
A: Yes, just make sure it is included when you purchase the set as that dime was in a separate cello from the other coins. I bought the whole mint set, folder and all, but I'll check to be sure the W dime cello is in there. Haven't received the shipment yet. Quote:Q: the Red Book doesn't list a 1999S SBAA: The 1999 proof SBA was the first circulating design proof minted at Philly since 1964 so it has a P mintmark and was sold separately from the 1999 Proof Set. Great, thanks. I'm still undecided, but for now I don't collect proofs unless they are a different mint mark than the business strikes. Quote: Q: Are the Brown Ike boxes the same size and shape as the other proof boxes?
A: The black slab holding the Ike is approximately the same size 3 3/8"x5 3/8" but I am not sure how large the box is. Oops, sorry, I meant the slab. Just wanted to be sure they would fit in the same slot as a regular proof slab. I'm using Eagle proof set holders and albums. Quote: Q: What's my best option to get the 71 and 72 P&D Ikes?
A: The P&D 71s and 72s were only released as business strikes but the mintages were huge so you should not have a problem finding decent Unc examples. Would those be in square holders (I think they're called 2x2s)? All of my mint is in cello. Quote: For 1976, do not forget the Unc and Proof 3 coin 40% silver Bicentennial Sets. Oh, yeah, good point. I meant to ask about that, too. Glad you mentioned it. My understanding is that those are just 40% silver versions of the coins in the mint and proof sets. If that is true I will leave them out. I don't include 40% silver coins if there are copper-nickel clad versions with the same mint mark. Thanks a bunch for the thoughful reply!
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Quote: Brown Ikes, 71-74s PR, come ridiculously overpackaged, one coin to a hard proof-set size case, which would have fit into the same size cardboard holder. Instead, to justify overcharging $10 for a single coin, that case was put in an oversize flimsy codbod box with a hole so you could see both sides.
The whole mess slid into a fake woodgrain codbod sleeve with a tacky "gold" decal, with no date on it anywhere. The whole contraption was as big as two proof sets, and twice as thick. Did I mention flimsy? That's actually OK. I just want the slabbed coin. I take the mint envelopes and proof boxes, put them all in a huge ziplock freezer bag with a silica pouch, and store them in a closet. I only care about the proof slabs and the mint cellos. I even saw some brown Ikes for sale without the boxes so maybe I can save a few bucks there.
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In addition to those already mentioned there is also the '79-S SBA. You might include all the '05 and later issues with regular finish as well.
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Quote:In addition to those already mentioned there is also the '79-S SBA. I'm at work and don't have access to my Red Book, but I think the 79S SBA is in the Proof Set. If you are saying there was also a business strike of the 79S SBA then I'm still trying to figure out if I want to include that, too, eventually. Right now I'm just trying to get every mint mark of every coin put into circulation. (I know I will end up with a few that were only released in the mint and/or proof sets, but that's OK). Quote: You might include all the '05 and later issues with regular finish as well. That's another good point that wquinn also mentioned. I'm really torn on that one. For now I'm going to ignore the finish. There are too many pre-1959 goodies I'd rather spend my hobby money on first! Thanks again to everyone for their suggestions! wquinn also asked for photos, but I don't have many of the coins or half of the albums yet. I have mint and proof in albums from 1999 to date. Mint from 1968 to 1998 is on its way (received some yesterday). The answers you have all provided gives me the info I need to order the albums for 1959-1998 mint and 1968-1998 proofs. I can offer this, however, for a photo:  That's really a photo of my US stamp collection from 4 years ago. I've worked very hard for many years to get it where it is today. Now look at the miserable looking coin collection in the top left corner of the photo. I had some old Whitman folders with pennies and nickels and all the mint and proof sets starting with 1999. I decided to move the pennies to a Dansco album and push back to flying eagles as a start, but end when the wheat pennies end in 1958. The flying eagles were current not too long after the first postage stamp was issued, so that seemed like a good starting point. Getting mint and proof sets from 1959 forward seemed like a logical next step and I found that 1968 to 1998 mint sets and proof sets are very reasonably priced with the exception of 82 and 83 mint sets. Proof sets from 59 to 64 are the same mint mark as the mint sets, so I ignored those proofs. The only thing offered 65-67 were the Special Mint sets, and I didn't see anything with a mint mark available for those years, so those will do fine. (After talking to the rep at Eagle about the 66 and 67 SMS sets, I have a way of putting them in my album. Actually, I'll put 65 with the mint sets and 66-67 in the proof album). That leaves 59-64 mint sets and they are selling for a couple of bucks over melt right now, so I may see if silver drops a bit before trying to get those. I hope to have everything in nice looking albums some day except the nickels. That was my father's Whitman folder and it only goes to 1961. I will try to finish it for him but keep it as is otherwise as a memento. I'm really just getting started, but thanks for all the support!
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How can you ignore the proofs from 1959-64?  They do look really nice and aren't that expensive.  It really isn't the mintmark that distinguishes them, but the manufacturing process. They are minted under extra pressure and pressed at least twice.
Edited by wquinn 04/24/2012 3:20 pm
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Quote: How can you ignore the proofs from 1959-64? They do look really nice and aren't that expensive.
It really isn't the mintmark that distinguishes them, but the manufacturing process. They are minted under extra pressure and pressed at least twice. I may change my mind and decide to add them later, but for now the mintmark is the distinquishing characteristic for me. I want to have an extremely narrow focus on 1959 to present so I can allocate my attention and funds to flying eagle, indian and wheat pennies. I just placed my order for the rest of the Eagle albums I need and I have received just about everything I ordered recently to complete 68-98 mint, with the exception of 71-72 Ikes and 99 SBA. I went quite a bit over budget, but when I saw a chance to get 68-98 including 82 and 83 P&D Souvenir Sets for $314.31, I had to jump at it! Then I had to buy the albums to put all the stuff in (of course). So it will be a few months before I start looking for the 68-98 proof sets, but there seem to be several lots in that range each week on ebay.
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Does your '82 mint set have all the penny's? Some do not. Not a big deal if it doesn't as you can pick them pretty inexpensively. Also you mention that you will probably skip over the 40% bicentennials as well as 64 and before proofs (at least for now). I'll be interested to see if that changes when you have blank spots in your albums. It would drive me nuts  . You might want consider getting proof sets down to 1964. The only reason being your Kennedy album will have a spot for a 1964 proof, and that would, eventually, be the only Kennedy proof you wouldn't have. Also what albums did you decide to go with?
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Quote: Does your '82 mint set have all the penny's? Some do not. Not a big deal if it doesn't as you can pick them pretty inexpensively. I don't know. The '82 Souvenir Sets from the mints have P&D pennies. I don't have the proof set yet, but I assume it will have an S penny. Quote: Also you mention that you will probably skip over the 40% bicentennials as well as 64 and before proofs (at least for now). I'll be interested to see if that changes when you have blank spots in your albums. It would drive me nuts. That would drive me nuts, too! I spent YEARS trying to create a rational stamp collecting philosophy for U.S. stamps and ended up having to print many of my own pages so I didn't have to leave blank spaces for things I didn't collect. Quote: You might want consider getting proof sets down to 1964. The only reason being your Kennedy album will have a spot for a 1964 proof, and that would, eventually, be the only Kennedy proof you wouldn't have.
Also what albums did you decide to go with? I'm going to use Dansco through 1958 for my pennies. For 1959 forward I am using Eagle Albums. They hold Mint Sets and Proof Slabs intact. That way all I need to determine is what I need IN ADDITION to the mint and proof sets. No empty holes to fill! What I have learned so far is that I need the following: 1965 Special Mint Set - will fit in slot of Mint Set album. 1966 and 1967 Special Mint Sets - these are slabbed and don't fit in ANY album, but the rep at Eagle said I can take a 9-pocket certified page and modify it to hold the 66 and 66 slabs. I have one on order and I'll see how that works. 1971 and 1972 Ikes - apparently there are no Ikes in either the mint sets OR the proof sets, so I'll need to add them. Proofs are an easy fix with the "Brown" Ikes, but there is no easy fix for 71 and 72 P&D Uncirculated Ikes, so that is on the back burner for now. 1982 and 1983 mint sets weren't issued - the Souvenir Sets from Philadelphia and Denver are adequate substitutes. They are a bit pricey, but not a bad investment. 1999 - I added the SBA mint coins (P & D). As far as I know, that's all I need in addition to the regularly issued mint sets. For proof sets, I just needed to make sure I had the first set of Presidential coins. My collecting philosophy is for me only. I am a SERIOUS stamp collector and a CASUAL coin collector. I enjoy helping aspiring stamp collectors and learning from more experienced folks regarding coins. The one area I do hope to become MUCH more knowledgeable about is where stamps and coins come together. If I ever manage to complete my stamp and coin collections to my satisfaction, I would like to explore Civil War postal currency and fractional currency. Encased postage stamps is another interesting area. I have one in my stamp collection. Do you have one in your coin collection? During the Civil War, when coins were scarce, stamps were encased in metal with a mica facing to be used as coins. Fractional Currency was also issued during the Civil War, which was essentially a paper money equivalent of coins. Thanks for the feedback. I am learning a LOT from everyone here. Cheers!
Edited by larsdog 04/24/2012 11:36 pm
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Quote:larsdog, have you checked out the sister site http://www.stampcommunity.org/ ? Yes, I have! I've tried stampcommunity.org, stamporama.com and bidstart.com (formerly stampwants.com). So far I have felt most "at home" with coincommunity.com for coins and bidstart.com for stamps, but I get some great tips from the most unlikely places sometimes, so they're all good!
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Quote:I'm at work and don't have access to my Red Book, but I think the 79S SBA is in the Proof Set. If you are saying there was also a business strike of the 79S SBA then I'm still trying to figure out if I want to include that, too, eventually. Yes there was a business strike 79 S SBA that was released into circulation but which was not included in the 1979 mint sets.
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Quote:Yes there was a business strike 79 S SBA that was released into circulation but which was not included in the 1979 mint sets. There are a few coins like that and I have yet to decide if I want to include them if I already have a proof of that mint mark. I know most collectors consider a proof coin to be a different animal from a business strike coin and even the modern (2005-2010 I think someone said) uncirculated mint sets have a different finish than business strike coins. For now I'm focused on just the mint marks. Dansco sells blank pages for pennies, nickels, dimes, etc. so I could create an album with the coins I want to add to the mint and proof sets I'm going to include. That's another good reason to put the '71 and '72 Ikes on the back burner. I know I need them but I'm uncertain how or where I will store them. Whether I include several other coins may influence how I deal with the Ikes.
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