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Pillar of the Community
United States
3229 Posts |
This my first coin from the 1700's!  A 1792 Spanish Carolus IIII 8 Reales. I have wanted a large Spanish silver from the colonial era for some time. I saw this one at the shop a month or so ago. Haven't been able to get its, "if this coin could tell stories" coolness out of my head. Legends are full and details are reasonable IMHO!:) A month ago the owner wanted $50 and I passed. Today I asked if he would take $45. He agreed. This area is new to me. How do you think I did for price?    |
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New Member
United States
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I only have one of these coins (1805) and I have VERY limited knowledge on them but you made a great buy on this coin. Congratulations
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3229 Posts |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3499 Posts |
A nice looking coin. Although this coin looks pretty real to me (but we still need to see the edge overlaps), the eye of the king is very striking. It almost looks too pronounced for this level of wear.
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New Member
United Kingdom
35 Posts |
It has a Mexico City mint mark so Mexican not Spanish.
Can't help but notice what appear to be Chinese characters on the crown but not sure what this signifies.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3229 Posts |
The wear seams to be centralized; and superficial to the eye, back of the head, and the garment in the lower area. Not sure what you mean by overlaps but below is some more pics that I hope will help. Yeah its Mexican  But I bet old Carlos didn't think that way.  Thanks for your help! It is much appreciated!    |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3229 Posts |
The wear seams to be centralized; and superficial to the eye, back of the head, and the garment in the lower area. Not sure what you mean by overlaps but below is some more pics that I hope will help. Yeah its Mexican But I bet old Carlos didn't think that way. Thanks for your help! It is much appreciated! |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1801 Posts |
The coin is Spanish, not Mexican. It was struck in Mexico City however that was a Spanish Colony at the time. These coins are referred to as "Spanish Colonial" and are really interesting to collect. The Chinese characters you see are called "chop marks" and signify that this coin circulated in the Orient at one time. In it's day the Spanish 8 Reales milled dollar was considered "la moneda del mundo" (coin of the world) and the major trade coin for the orient. These circulated freely in the United States until 1857.
On the edge, there should be 2 overlaps in the design exactly 180 degrees opposite of each other. Please see if you can find them and post pictures.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1962 Posts |
The 2nd pic shows one of the overlaps at the 6-7 o'clock position, looking at the portrait side. I can tell you almost certainly without even seeing the other side of the edge pattern that the 2nd overlap is going to be there. See the bit of a bulge in the circumference of the planchet at right around 12 to 12:30, by the tips of his head wreath? I'm sure swamperbob has explained why at some point, but I'm noticing more and more that the planchets often seem to have received slight pushouts at the overlap points. You really notice this when looking at around 11:30 on the reverse side.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3229 Posts |
Thank you everyone! I am getting quite the education; and loving it! Sorry I have not replied sooner. Work has interfered. Here is a couple more pics(The bottom of the shield and the top of the wreath are opposite each other). Realeswatcher thanks! Right over the wreath area is where I am seeing the over lap. What do you think? Also, here is link to a previous thread from swamperbob. Maybe the one realeswatcher mentioned:) Very helpful! https://goccf.com/t/102023&whichpage=2  |
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Pillar of the Community
France
1591 Posts |
The rim on your coin is perfect, the design overlaps as it should in two places, at the exact opposite from each other.
Congrats, you found the exact topic you required for it - it explains it all (thanks again for that one Swamperbob)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3229 Posts |
This got me thinking about trade routes of the late 1700's and early 1800's:) Here is pretty cool link: http://teachers.yale.edu/curriculum...chers&skin=hNow we know this coin is genuine! Thanks!:) What do you pros think the value is? Was $45 a good price? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1962 Posts |
You got about what you paid for.
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Valued Member
United States
98 Posts |
Unlike most, I collect chopmarked coins like this, pretty nice example, thanks for sharing!
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New Member
Spain
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I think it's a good price for the coin, the marks is devido Aque Spanish currency to be the one used for trade was falsified by the English and Dutch, the Chinese decided autentifacarla making those marks as ipasaba from one region to another .
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Posted 05/02/2012 11:41 am
