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New Member
United States
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So I have all but 2-3 of the Morgan silver dollars one of those is the 1903s but I can't remember the others. For the Peace dollars I have all but maybe one. Have a hard time remembering what all I do and don't have seeing as my sets are in a safety deposit box and my computer deleted my pics of the coins so I can't use that either. Anyways, I have had these sets appraised by 2 separate coin dealers and both ended up offering similar amounts (differed by a couple hundred at most). None of these coins were professionally graded rather my great grand-father worked as a teller and got first dibs on the silver dollars and it appeared as though he made it into a hobby and graded most of them. Seeing as more than half of the coins I have got graded MS60+ what would be the best way to go about properly appraising my sets? I feel as though the dealers were trying to dupe me on my rare coins by lowering their grades significantly on them so maybe CCF can suggest a good appraiser or just tell me to use one of the Third Party Appraisers. Sorry this post is so long I asked Reddit and many suggested using the Third party appraiser, but maybe I can find a better answer here. Unfortunately, I don't have pics of them right now. I will get them at some point this summer. Edited by soccerplyr0004 05/03/2012 07:05 am
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Valued Member
Australia
243 Posts |
Well if you're interested in selling them I would definitely get them graded by a TPG. Your best bet would probably be PCGS and NGC, as coins graded by these companies tend to attract higher premiums on the market. Also, this will largely remove the threat of dealers undergrading so that they can get away with paying you less. If I were you, I would get them graded and then consign them to a reputable auction house as opposed to selling them to a dealer. However, I have minimal experience in selling so just wait and see what other members of the community think.
Edited by enoilgam 05/03/2012 07:27 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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To get the wholesale price of each coin, I would recommend you get a copy of the coin dealer newsletter. It has the prices dealers should be paying: http://www.greysheet.com/To get a rough idea of the grade of your coins, you can use PCGS photograde and match your coins up as best you can. Won't be as precise as getting them slabbed but it should give you a rough idea. If you are unclear about any, you can post photos on here and get some free grading: http://www.pcgs.com/photograde/Generally, you should only get a coin slabbed (professionally graded) if it is worth more than a couple hundred bucks on the grey sheet. If not, the grading cost can end up being a big percentage of the value of your coin. When sending in your coins for appraisal by a dealer, if you include a spreadsheet showing your grade estimate and the greysheet values it will be less likely you'll get a lowball/unfair offer.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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 Considering you did NOT say you wanted to sell that collection, only have it appraised, there is only a few wure ways to do that. Since you already tried a few coin dealers, you didn't say a coin shop, that too could make a difference. You should try once more looking up coin stores. Go to one that you did not go to before. Ask if you could get an appraisal for insurance purposes, not for selling. Once you say you want to sell them, almost any dealer on Earth would try for the lowest prices possible. If you say for insurance purposes, you'll get the highest possible values which is never what you could really sell them for. The best method would be to try to find a coin show and go there. If a reasonably decent show, you would have numerous dealers to give you appraisals and offers. Again, you did not say your planning on selling them. One other possible answer is to start a coin collection using those as a start. Something to build on that is already a fantastic start. Of course sending ALL those in for grading at a TPGS, such as PCGS or NGC would cost a small fortune due to the large amount of coins. And if you stick around here for a few more hundred posts, you could put them up for sale here.
Edited by just carl 05/03/2012 08:40 am
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: If a reasonably decent show, you would have numerous dealers to give you appraisals and offers. Again, you did not say your planning on selling them. Time at a show is very limited. Dealers have better things to do than provide advice on a collection they can't buy. Arrange for an appraisal at their shop, and expect to pay $50-100 for an accurate retail estimate with grades and prices.
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New Member
 United States
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I mean that is what I had the 2 coin dealers, do provide an appraisal. However, it seemed their motivating factor in the end was to then offer to buy the lots. This happened in both cases. So maybe the name of someone who was an ex TPG would be able to help out with that. I want to thank you all for your advice so far and plan on making an Imgur account so I can post all of the pictures of the coins I have. Maybe the CCF community will provide a good eye for the coins I have more so than an ex TPG.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Dealers are not going to spend the time to appraise that many coins if you arent going to sell it. Its just too much of their time for no profit what so ever.
Grading costs are not that bad. Send the coins to ANACS and it will run you about 20 bucks a coin. Well worth the money as you have a grade and you have confirmed the authenticity of the coins. That is certainly an important thing for any key coins you may have. Then simply check the values of the grades assigned. With a list of certified coins, you can get them insured and insure you get full value should something happen.
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Valued Member
United States
199 Posts |
I agree with fenton above.
You should learn to grade your coin and know its value yourself. This will reduce any grief in the future if you shall decide to part from it.
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New Member
 United States
45 Posts |
I read up on grading last year but the thing that I still can't tell yet is if they have been cleaned or not. Some that look cleaned haven't and vice versa. These coins are in plastic sheaths and have been in them for longer than ten years and I read somewhere that by doing that some coins can get patina again. Again its just telling the difference between if they've been cleaned or not that gets me. So as I said earlier hopefully I can post my sets and maybe learn a thing or two.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3540 Posts |
If there is a local coin club, I would ask if the members could give you the grades. Might be a fun project as well. Bring 20-40 copies listing each date in the collection....and hand them out to each member....so they can grade the coins individually. Average the grades and you have your answer.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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 , soccerplyr0004! Quote: I mean that is what I had the 2 coin dealers, do provide an appraisal. However, it seemed their motivating factor in the end was to then offer to buy the lots. When someone says they have some coins and want an appraisal, the first thing I establish is whether they want a paid appraisal for estate or insurance value, or whether they want an offer. Coins are supposed to be how a dealer makes his income. If he's not getting paid for his time making an appraisal, the only other chance is to try to buy the coins, and that's certainly a conflict of interest.
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Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts |
Playing "lookie my coins" is a great way to lose a couple of them. Going to a coin club meeting doesn't make you honest, just like going to a garage doesn't make you a truck.
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New Member
 United States
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Both times I went to the coin dealers I paid for an appraisal, not to possibly sell the lots to them. As I previously stated their motives seemed to be just to offer me a deal at the end for them after said appraisal. That's why I asked for some advice. Rather than continue through this constant cycle of appraisal then offer I figured the CCF community would have some good ideas (which there have been). So hopefully I can try a couple of the ideas presented and utilize the Grading forum for any questions I might have about a certain coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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IMO - The best way to get a real value of your coins is for you to learn how to grade and identify possible varieties, for example VAM's A good dealer might get you close to a true value, but .. there are many possible values for the same coin. There are wholesale and retail prices, dealer and auction prices. Prices can even vary depending on what part of the country your in or each dealers outlet for high dollar coins. If I was going to appraise a large collection of Morgan and Peace dollars I would. - Identify all very high grade coins. - Separate common date/mint mark coins from better date and key coins. You do not have to send all your coins to a TPG but if you really want to know the value of your collection "Key" coins should be sent into PCGS or NGC. (these two TPG's seem to trade at the best prices) for example a coin like a 1893 S Morgan has a lot of difference from one grade to the next and also if it has been cleaned or scratched, the value can be greatly reduced. So having the high value coins graded is important in coming up with a true value to a collection. Also slabs are better in protecting high value coins. I would get all the coins out of the clear plastic coin flips, I do not think they should be used for long term storage. TPG slabs then air tite capsules would be best. folowed be keeping the in a safe climate control envirionment. Posting pictures on this site would be a good start for grading and opinions on which coins to send into TPG's. Another suggestion would be to take one or two key coins to a couple different dealers .. for their opinions on grade and if they might be cleaned or not. In my experience it is easier to get a true estimate from a dealer if they are only looking at one or two coins. I mentioned VAM's, if you have top 100 VAM's they can add a lot of value to your collection. Again .. just my opinion
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New Member
 United States
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Thanks a lot GR58 I must say that was a very imformative post
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
I'm still rather in the dark as to your motives with the approximate value of the coins. Never said they are for sale? Not planing on collecting? So just why do you want to know what they are worth? If in the future you do want to sell them, it would be to your benefit to know what you have. Or at least an approximation. You really should get a few books on those and/or just a copy of the Grey Sheet and try a guesstamate yourself. Once you do that you'll at least have an idea of what you have. That way it is easier to know if a dealer is attempting to low ball you on them.
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