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Please, Convince Me To Like Large Cents

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 Posted 05/03/2012  11:49 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add BuffaloBonehead to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
With your pictures.

Quite frankly, all I ever see are old and beat up large cents. I know there are good examples out there. I've perused the auction sites, as we all have, but every time I find something I like, I think,

"That looks nice, but how do I know it hasn't been dipped and re-toned with that chocolate brown stuff sold online."

How can I tell what is a natural tone and what isn't? It seems like there is possibly a very large variation in toning, much more so than I'm used to seeing in Lincoln Cents.

And what about value? I know you should collect what you like yadda yadda yadda, but I also don't want to throw money into a hole. Has this series run its course? Should I hold off on acquiring specimens for a while?

Please convince me, but I really want to be interested. I really do. I'm halfway there, give me a little kick.
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 Posted 05/04/2012  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like them alot--I know there are better examples of this--very heavy and sturdy coin. I only have 3 of them.
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 Posted 05/04/2012  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please, I beg you, do all you can to resist that budding interest in large cents. There's already too much competition for the old coppers!
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 Posted 05/04/2012  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paleoguy45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I started out a bit ago and went after an entire set per Dansco. They had holes for every year plus varieties plus some mint errors. It became "unfun" so I bought a Whitman album and went for the Type Set (one per year). I'm now down the the four digit in cost ones (1794-96, 99, and 1804). The Early Coppers really do grow on you. Lots of variation in the different types (Draped Bust, Classic, Coronet, Braided Hair, etc).. Be careful of the hard-to-find dates. I bought a bogus 1821 (returned thankfully). Always check the return policy of the seller. Speaking from experience, there's nothing like having the coin in hand to get a good "feel" for it, but prices tend to be much lower on ebay than from a coin show or dealer (IMO)...
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 Posted 05/04/2012  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I can't exactly be a good one here as I've bought every single large cent that came my way which was a total of exactly two.
One of those two was a very nice holdered 1841 in decent VF with a slight rim ding, which I bought for just over thirty bucks (well, actually 1000 rubles, it's just my habit for some reason to convert sums I paid for coins to dollars). The dealer even remarked on how hard it is to find a large cent over here in Russia, and that it was a very good choice for me (and from what I've heard on this forum, it seems that even in the US, where it's relatively easy to get a large cent, when you get one it's usually not 1841*).
The other? A beat-up, probably harshly cleaned, dateless low-grade Matron Head (I see 1823 on it but I doubt anyone else would) that I've bought for three bucks (aka 100 rubles, of which half was actually shipping) on Molotok (the Russian copycat version of ebay) from a guy who apparently couldn't tell a large cent from a small one (it was listed as "1890(?)" but the pic was clearly of a large cent, and when I did receive the coin and asked the seller, he was oblivious to it being anything but an IHC - despite having an actual IHC as his very next auction).
In all, my experience with large cents was basically that they're incredibly hard to find, and if you get an opportunity to buy one for what isn't obviously too huge a price** it's probably better to buy until it's too late. This all, of course, relates to Moscow City and is probably completely useless anywhere else


*) At just over 1.5 million, 1841 has the third lowest mintage among Braided Hair cents, after 1857 and 1855 (and that latter one only barely). I've also heard that Petite Head cents in general are relatively uncommon (Photograde certainly confirms that - only one of the many Braided Hair pics is a Petite Head). It's just my incredible luck that the only large cent I've seen on sale for over a year was a more elusive version
Fun fact: even though it's completely obvious to the eye I've never seen any online guide recognizing Petite Head (1839-1843) as a separate type. Then again many don't recognize Braided Hair cents at all (lumping them together with Matron and/or Classic Heads).
**) For example, I probably won't buy a large cent for $100 or more. Then again I probably won't buy any coin for $100 or more unless it's made of gold
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 Posted 05/04/2012  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuffaloBonehead to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Speak of the devil. I went to see my jeweler friend today. He just purchased a collection of large cents and he sold me an 1803, small date, large fraction in AG-3 shape for $30. I fiddled with my phone for a little to try and figure out if that's a decent price or not and decided to buy it.
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 Posted 05/04/2012  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll try the opposite. I've got well over 100 Albums of almost every type of coin. And in most instances, several of each. Worst case is 12 Mercury dime Albums. However, many others like that but not so many duplicated Albums.
ALL except one type of coin. The Large Cent. I only have one Album for those and it is far, far from complete. AND it is only a year set, none of the zillions (exageration) of varieties. I go to about 2 to 4 coin shows a Month and have been for a long, long time and those are one coin you just don't see a lot of there or anywhere. Even worse is the fact that in most price listings, most coins start with G-4 but those dumb Large Cents start with AG-4 and most are less than that. And even those are in the hundreds of dollars. They are very difficult to find in coin shops, coin shows, flea markets, etc.
So my suggestion is to stay away from those unless you have sort of an unlimited amount of money. And even then, you'll never complete a set. So go back to Lincoln Cents or even Jefferson nickels.
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 Posted 05/04/2012  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let's see if this helps:

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Better?
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I'll have what Super Dave's having!
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 Posted 05/04/2012  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Penny Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Collecting old copper is one of those things where you either love'em or not. I have a date set, decided to not pursue variety collecting because of the impossible goal even with virtually unlimited funds. Each piece has a character of it's own.

btw: the EAC annual convention is this weekend in Buffalo NY. So it you happen to be in the area it's worth a visit

Here is an early one.......

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SuperDave . . Super die crack on the 1818.
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Actually, Penny Guy, I AM in the area. I don't know how much I'll be able to get in, though. There is also the gun show this weekend as well as Cinco de Mayo.
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 Posted 05/05/2012  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rayman311 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a few that are less beat up:


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**Scratch on the holder.

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**Few holder dings at the top.
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 Posted 05/05/2012  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jeffrose to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's another.

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 Posted 05/05/2012  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cipster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Please, I beg you, do all you can to resist that budding interest in large cents.



I have all of the years except for 5. I'll probably never be able to get a 1793, but I'm working on the others.

With a modest budget I have to settle for some that aren't so pretty, but they do have character.

Collecting old copper is a wonderful trip back in history.

Here are a couple of my favorites

1803
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 Posted 05/05/2012  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cipster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jeffrose!

Thanks, you've made my day! I can never see enough of your 1793. Please keep posting it or better yet just send it to me on loan. I promise not to drool over it too much.
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