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1925 Small Cent - Only An Ef? You Decide

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This was purchased from my usual dealer. He described the shock of receiving an EF-45 result for this coin; he was hoping for AU-Something. It's a very attractive item with a hint of luster. As you can see he expressed his outrage on the price sticker. These images are the best my Leonardo da Vinci scanner can muster. How would you grade?

1925-Small-Cent---Only-An-Ef?--You-Decide

1925-Small-Cent---Only-An-Ef?--You-Decide

1925-Small-Cent---Only-An-Ef?--You-Decide
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 Posted 05/11/2012  06:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yup, I would say, only EF
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 Posted 05/11/2012  07:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks EF to me. I wouldn't have been shocked to see 40, but that's a nice coin.
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Solid EF 45 !! I too have a similiar piece from the 1922 issue. ICCS is quite tough on the key date small cents for some strange reason. My free professional advice is to take it out of the ICCS holder and sell it raw. Do a little coin restoration touch it up with a little "Blue Ribbon coin conditioner" Might give it a touch more "flashy" eye appeal and will NOT clean or wreck the coin. Believe me after 40 years plus in the business this one will bring more raw than it will in the ICCS 45 holder. Pretty nice coin you have there!
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 Posted 05/12/2012  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter4805 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks about right to me.
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 Posted 05/13/2012  07:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
EF is fair
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 Posted 05/13/2012  07:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice penny but the rim damage stops it being a AU contender.

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Do a little coin restoration touch it up with a little "Blue Ribbon coin conditioner" Might give it a touch more "flashy" eye appeal and will NOT clean or wreck the coin. Believe me after 40 years plus in the business this one will bring more raw than it will in the ICCS 45 holder

this set off alarms all through my head
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 Posted 05/13/2012  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's what happened for me too, trout1105. No offense to the poster, but I checked the profile to see if there was an ebay name I could put on a list to avoid...
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Are you familiar with Blue Ribbon Coin Conditioner? It is really not much different than using an olive oil soak, to remove gunk or a film from a circulated coin. The large cent variety community uses it all the time. Some people then follow that product up with an acetone rinse.

Of course, this is definitely not a product for a coin with mint state lustre. But, if done properly, it would not ruin a circulated coin at all. In a different context, would you think the same if someone cleaned out the gunk in the loop of the 9 of a 1859 large cent with a hawthorne or cactus spine, to see if the variety exists? Nobody chastised Zonad for "taking a shovel" (figuratively speaking) to a 1872 50c to reveal an A/V variety. I don't see people running for the hills when someone suggests dipping a really ugly toned silver coin or washing a mint state coin with acetone...

If you knew a coin had a corrosion spot or a film on it, that had the potential to expand and further damage the coin, would you not try to take corrective measures?
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Trout and chequer you two are out to lunch with all due respect! Have you even thought for a second what NCS does to conserve coins that go in to NGC holders? Hmm didn't think so!!
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Also chequer as far as putting on a list to avoid......... get real I will put my untarnished reputation on the line for anyone after 40 years plus in the business. ANA member and past member of CAND when I had my shop. BTW SPP is absolutely right about Blue Ribbon coin conditioner!
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Trout and chequer you two are out to lunch with all due respect! Have you even thought for a second what NCS does to conserve coins that go in to NGC holders? Hmm didn't think so!!

Enlighten me as to the practices of NCS with their conservation/cleaning methods.
I have absolutely no problem with people cleaning their own coins for their own collection (some people just have to have them shiny) it is a shame that they do it and is generally detectable when eventually offered for sale.
I do however have a problem with people "prettying up" a coin to give it the illusion of being a better grade than it actually is for the sole purpose of selling the coin for a higher price.
Just because NCS conserve/clean coins it doesn't make it an accepted practice in my view.
No offence intended 54dollarcoin I just simply do not agree with your philosophy in regards to cleaning coins prior to sale.
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 Posted 05/13/2012  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coincollect1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
EF-45 I see some wear, nice coin though
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EF-45 straight top 5. Mine is an EF-45 curved top 5 and proud to own it.
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Please go to the Ngccoin.com web page and see the services that they offer in regards to conserving coins. BTW conserving coins and cleaning them abrasively are entirely different subjects. Conservation is much akin to automobile restorative work IMHO. Also remember one other thing in regards to coin grading by the various services. They are just opinions and a lot of coins sell much better uncertified or cracked out. Years ago at the ANA in Baltimore MD all one heard early in the morning was the shattering of plastic PCGS and NGC holders.You should try a little experiment yourself and see if it works for you as it has me and others. Take a really nice looking coin that comes back in a holder not to your satisfaction, crack it out and sell it. You will be very pleased at how much extra it brings! Also as to my selling ideals when it comes to coins is.Properly describe and grade an uncertified coin and price it fairly. If you are the least bit not happy with your purchase absolutely no question money is cheerfully refunded. As to certified coins you bought it you got it! in 40 plus years I have had less than 10 coins returned. If say I am selling a 1936 Canada Dollar in AU (uncertified)with light marks and an old cleaning that is what I state in the list.
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Thanks for the update 54dollarcoin.
I am in no way a fan of slabbed coins and if on the rare occasion I do buy one the slab goes in the bin and the coin goes into my collection.
After 40 years in the game and still in business I have absolutely no doubts about your credentials and would buy a coin that I needed graded by you in a heartbeat.
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