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Look into your crystal ball and pick a coin made since 1965 that you would hoard if you had the chance. You could pick a coin in a range of grades, a coin in a specific grade (keep in mind, to hoard you need several pieces- not just one or two top pop coins), or a couple of coins that you feel will be key dates.

My picks:

Fully struck 1983 and 1984 quarters in MS-65 and above
BU Platinum Eagles with the rotating reverses

and

1971 and 1972 Ikes in MS-65 and above.
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From a bullion perspective either pre 82copper pennies or stacks of nickels for the metal content. Long term numismatic perspective would be high grade early zincolns. It's hard to find an 83-87 zinc penny in high grade without issues.
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40% half dollars.
maybe thats cheating though..
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Nice, bright solid date BU rolls of Lincolns dated 1983-1986.
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1971 and 1972 Ikes in MS-65 and above.
Personally, this would be my choice. Although truthfully, I hoard all Eisenhower dollars. It is the one modern coin I have never spent.

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Nice, bright solid date BU rolls of Lincolns dated 1983-1986.
This is my choice if based on preserving something that can literally rot away.
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For me it wasn't so much a matter of preservation as a matter of being able to invest in something that is in it's own right not inexpensive now, and will only go up in value as time goes on. I fully expect some of these rolls to exceed $100 each in the next 20 years.
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BU rolls of all coins from 1982 and 1983. BU cent rolls for 1986 P&D.
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I would hoard any gem zincolns that can be acquired at face. They're inexpensive enough that you're not sinking tons of money into them, and the attrition rate is crazy. You also never know when some new rare variety will pop up, and Lincoln Cent variety collecting seems to be taking off. It was only a couple years ago that Ziggy of CCF found that incredible 1982 small date zinc DDR. I wish I had some BU '82 rolls to dig through for that baby.

And the mint seems to be producing a lot fewer errors, but varieties are still getting turned out. 2011 was a great year for doubled die cents, and 2006 had some dandies as well.

Gem '82-'83 coins in all denominations seem like a good choice as well. Also, lower mintage silver proof sets (e.g. 1999); sometimes they can be acquired for close to bullion value. Maybe wait until silver finishes collapsing...
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This thread is a wealth of information to those who are less informed. ( Me) In all respect, take it as you may but, learn from some of the best.
Thank you, to all that help us learn and have fun!
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I started hoarding moderns in 1972 when I heard that they were goinmg to start rotating the FED and mint coin stocks. I knew these coins weren't being set aside and rotating the oldest coins out of storage would result in all the coins becoming heavily worn. This has come to pass and it shows up on all the low mintage coins in varying degrees as well as the highest mintage. Scarce coins like a '72-D type "b" reverse quarter had a mintage of only about 80,000 according to expert estimates and well over 99.9% of them are gone, lost to the ravages of time or in a highly degraded condition. Anything over F can be considered scarce.

But the moderns being overlooked really includes all of them. Sure nice gemmy '72-D quarters are "common" with nearly 100,000 examples surviving but this might just lead to higher demand or more demand for even higher grades. Modern collectors have been, are, and probably will always be fairly grade conscious and they want nice attractive coins. What people don't realize is that nice attractive coins of many dates are quite elusive. Coins that are considered common as dirt are only cheap because the demand is still tiny. Take a coin like a nice gemmy (MS-64+ or better) 1977-D cent. I've looked at many rolls and have seen few good ones. There are millions set aside but it's possible that this date or some others will not be found nice in rolls or will be rare as such. This leaves a paltry 1% of the surviving mint sets as a source for gems and 2% for gemmy specimens. Sure, more than a million surviving mint sets assure the coin isn't rare but only 20,000 nice specimens would be a pittance compared to the potential demand if they can't be found nice in rolls.

This really cuts across the board. The quarters historically are the most ignored so if you're going to hoard something this might be the place to start. I like the '69 quarter because there are no rolls. If a roll turned up it would probably be junk because I remember looking at many of these rolls in 1969 and they were all terrible. They were bad strikes by bad dies and then they were ground up in counting and rolling operations. Mint set coins are pretty horrendous as well with fewer than 10% even being choice condition. Gems and MS-64 account for less than about 1% of mint set coins. This date set has had extremely high attrition and of the few sets surviving half are now tarnished because of bad packaging material and improper wash of the clad. In other words even those willing to settle for lower grades will be fighting over a very few coins.

I, too, like the '82 and '83 issues that are well struck by good dies. I even save these all the way down to XF now. Uncs are great and might be a steal at current levels but nnice strikes are going to have a lot of demand someday and the supply isn't there. The BU '82-P is the most underrated coin in the world today when it has a nice strike by good dies.

Of course I no longer believe in investing or speculating in coins but this is how I started many years ago. And, yes, I have continued to hoard what I consider "key" dates. Even though I was right and have huge gains in many moderns if I had it to do over I'd do more collecting and less speculating. Even being right is no fun if it takes too long. Even being right can be wrong. The hobby is a hoot so enjoy it and the best way to enjoy it (for most people) is through a collection. But to each his own.
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Cladking pretty much nails it. I've cut apart a thousand or so 1970s era mint sets, keeping nice gem coins in all denominations and selling off the rest as rolls to roll guys who aren't too picky. You can be a dozen mint sets before you pull a quarter that doesn't look like it's been scraped against gravel. As for Kennedy half dollars? hairline city on most coins. Mint set lincolns have nearly all mellowed in color by now, many are no longer truly "red". You're not likely to find a full step jefferson but full torch dimes are doable.

I don't know what the future holds for price or value. My guess is that the hobby will need to basically rid itself of the establishment coin press (Coin World-looking right at you) in order for things to get more interesting for moderns.

There are coins you can't find in abundance but the hobby is still stuck on mintage totals- a metric for rarity that has long since become obsolete.
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Nice, bright solid date BU rolls of Lincolns dated 1983-1986.


The early zincs were hoarded in almost as great a quantity as the copper Lincolns were but the survival rate on these is low. Plating problems were common (nearly ubiquitous) and some hoarders just got tired of saving them since there was no demand at all until the mid-'90's. I really like them all but the '84-D will probably be toughest. These are expensive now days though and toiugh to find. I like most of the early zincolns in gem condition and the '86-D comes spectacular once in a while. Both '86 P& D can be found extremely nice.
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I don't know what the future holds for price or value. My guess is that the hobby will need to basically rid itself of the establishment coin press (Coin World-looking right at you) in order for things to get more interesting for moderns.


I believed this back in 1986 and began a campaign to get them to recognize the rarity and CURRENT value of moderns. The campaign actually proved rather successfull and even Madison Avenue started using later date coins in their stock images. Before 1992 almost all pictures of coins in advertising were dated 1964.

They haven't updated their pricing since thisa time for the main part but I've come to believe the hobby press is a symptom of the problem rather than the cause. Simply stated older collectors and older coin publishers tend to be modern bashers and this isn't going to change a lot. Numismatic News actually ran two decades of very positive articles under the Paul Green line with no measureable impact on demand. It's probably just going to take time. Every year there is a growing demand for moderns all over the world and one coin after another proves to be rare. Every year there are new and younger collectors and these collectors are much more likely to collect moderns.

We do need to continue to encourage young collectors but, on the whole, the hobby does a much better job of this than 12 years ago. It's a shame we didn't do it twelve years ago when it was more important but we have to play with the hand we've dealt now. It would be nice if Krause, the ANA, Coin World and the entire hobby press would stop activities that are detrimental to moderns and younger collectors but I don't see this happening in the next few years. Very very soon now these guys will realize their demographic has changed and then their policies will change.

There's a tide coming in. It's sweeping all over the world and it will get here eventually.
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It's a matter of time too... Classic coins are interesting to collect because the designs are something you don't see in your everyday change. Up until the last decade, US coins were extremely stagnant in terms of design. Nickels had the same design for 66 years, and dates from the '40s are ordinary pocket change. Quarters didn't change for 67 years aside from the bicentennial reverse, and the obverse still hasn't seen a change. It'll be decades before the eagle reverse is unusual in circulation. The biggest event in dimes over the last 67 years was a one-time special mint-mark, and that coin is abundant in high grades.

25 year design runs were more typical for classics, which meant a design would go from normal, to outdated, to antique in a lifetime. I think scarcity of a design in circulation, but not complete absence, is what makes a series start to become collectible. Wheats are popular because they're not "ordinary" change, but kids and casual observant collectors can find them in their pocket now and then. They're perceived as "scarce" and unusual but are still available (new coin designs can have this same effect until they become common). Ikes and SBA dollars didn't really circulate at all, so most people didn't get them in their pocket change, so they haven't gained much traction.

On the other hand, with the explosion of designs coming out of the mint now, practically every coin is "unusual" which means that none of them are unusual.
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lots of great choices I would go with an MS-65 or better 1970 D half dollar and also the 71 and 72 ike in same grade or better
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I am basically a numismatic collector, not a bullion accumulor.
As a result, all of my bullion is scrap silver, from my numismatic activities, except for one coin only.

I have only one bullion round: A one ounce Perth Mint Platinum Koala, of 1991.
I bought this coin when Pt was below $500, some time ago, mainly for the reason that platinum, as coinage metal, was not represented in my (numismatic) collection.

Also have about 10 ounces AGW of junk silver coins. I guess that you could call THAT a hoard, because it was accumulated, not actively collected.
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