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1951 And 1954 Commemorative Florins

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Poll Question
There is a lot of support for the 1927 Parliament house florin due to its great design and the 1934-5 Melbourne florin due to its rarity (I'm not a fan of this design)
but the other 2 coins the 1951 federation Jubilee and the 1954 royal visit don't seem to have that much appeal.
I'm just wondering why as they are both relatively low mintage coins and are well designed .
Your thoughts on this would be interesting.

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 don't care either way
 don't like them
 they are only bullion coins
 they are underated value wise
 interesting cions
 love them

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Only buy under bullion for condition
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They are relatively cheap in higher grades because they were hoarded. Unless in high grade theyre not much more than bullion to me. Personally, I like the 1951 but cant stand the 1954. I think that they are not valued in lower grades due to the fact they are easily available in high grades. No collector wants to settle for one with reduced lustre/some chatter seeing as for just a little more they can get a real nice one.
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enword is right, it is so easy to find a high grade one because they were hoarded
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To be honest, I'm not big on any of the pre-decimal commemoratives. The parliament house florin is alright - the centenary florin is vastly overrated.
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I quite like the 51. I could be biased though because I was given one for free.
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For some reason I like things symmetrical. They don't have to be exact, just roughly. All of the standard predecimal silver are roughly symmetrical and so are the 1927 and 1951 commemoratives. I think symmetry also explains why I love the KGV issue pennies and half pennies so much more than the later roo reverse.
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I very much prefer the 1927 to these. Of these two I think the 1951 is a nicer design; nice and simple and looks quite good in high grade, with some fine detail.

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I personally prefer the 1954 the best. The reason being I am a Leo and a supporter of Chelsea F.C. and this coin has a lion on the reverse.
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i bought the 3 of these when I first got interested in coins
1927 x 1951 x 1954
from a coin dealer who had a add in the sunday mail ,
they were in his own cardboard folder , I paid $ 27.00 for them and I still have them locked away in a bank vault , cant remember the condition at all but I think they would still be ok ..the melbourne centenary one I had ,34/35 , I bought it from a dealer at garden city shopping centre for $ 325.00 , had it for 6 years , put it up on ebay at starting price of $ 250.00 and sold it at top bid of $ 295.00 .
did not make me happy at all .
made me feel like a
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The design on the 1954 coin is great, I love the way the lion and the roo are standing together, poised and alert on the top of the world.
However the plain fields of this coin make it very hard to get a perfect example due to the bag marks.
The 1951 coin has so much intricate detail and classic design on the reverse this also makes this coin very hard to get a perfect example of as well.
You have to remember that these coins weren't minted as your everyday run of the mill currency but as a memento of a special occasion (which did no occur much in the pre decimal world) and as such not much thought went into the design as far as wear and tear went (unlike the platypus design on the 20 cent coin) so these are prone to damage easily.
As these coins were hoarded by our predecessors (which unfortunately most of which have passed on by now) there is a belief that they are super easy to obtain in BU FDC or ms 65 up.
This is IMHO not the case as these coins have been treated with disdain and chucked about as purely bullion coins of no worth (only 50% silver). So IMHO there are not many coins left in perfect condition that are worthy of preserving for future generations of collectors.
I personally intend to do my best to save some of these unloved coins for my kids/grand-kids so that they can pass them on for future collectors that will have a better appreciation of these coins
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Funny thing is I have 3 of them, excluding the 1934 and I paided nill for all, actually I have only bought 2 florins and the crown before. That is how common these coins are.
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Yeah,in the early Years of ebay in Oz they were a $1 or 2 for the 51 & 54,$10 for the 27,but they are on a steady upward curve in value the last few years.MPO is they were undervalued for decades,mainly because(again IMO) dealers had them in the same category at Capt. Cook & Churchill.
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Quote:
They are relatively cheap in higher grades because they were hoarded.


It seems hard to believe these days but commemoratives were rare in the predecimal era. I would think that almost every one of them found in change would have been kept. These days it almost seems like the exception to find a 50c or $1 with the original design.

Although I guess in the past few years the RAM have concentrated more on NCLT with the much higher issue price.
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