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Have any of you ever looked at fire safes to store coins at home? I currently use a couple of smaller Sentry safes but have been looking at the larger fireproof gun safes. I notice on them that the fire rating is 30 minutes at 1700 degrees and most of the smaller office type ones are 1 hour at 1700 degrees. Not sure how much protection is needed for a house fire.
Any info would be appreciated
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 Posted 06/09/2012  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mberteig to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would also be interested in this too. Anyone have actual experience with a house fire? (Hopefully not, but at the same time, it would be great to learn from someone else.)
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I have also been thinking about getting a safe, but my concern is that I will out grow any of the ones I've seen. That doesn't include the tall gun safe's I see at canadian tire all the time.
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 Posted 06/09/2012  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1inamillion15 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i imagine a fire will last longer than 30 minutes
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I prefer the smaller Sentry type safes with the handle. The reason being is that if there is a fire or some other reason to get out of the house in a hurry, they are portable. Even if full of coins, they aren't going to require a dolly to lug one or two out in a hurry and can be concealed a little more easily as well. The downside though, is that if you get robbed while you're away, the portability factor works against you.
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^ Gotta hide it in a good spot!

I have been considering buying one of those portable sentry safes as well. It sure would beat the little metal box I am using now

If anyone can tell me which Portable Sentry Safe with a handle is the best one, it would be greatly appreciated
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We are looking at a home purchase in a mountain community of California so this will definitely be on my list.
I currently have a Sentry but will go with something bigger and heavier as I want to bolt it down.
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Safes are a must if you plan to store your collection at home, however, with their limited space and the vast collections many collectors possess, you personally will will have to prioritize what goes in! There are generally three types of home safes:
>fire protection
>theft protection
>fire and theft protection

If you buy the latter (fire and theft), make sure there is a UL rating of at least 1 hour at 1700 degrees Fahrenheit and make sure it has at least six live bolts. That means the bolts that engage the sides, top and bottom of the safe when the safe is closed and then locked.
Being a police officer for 30 years in Moncton, N.B. and an Arson Investigator, I've been to my fair share of fires. The #1 mistake most homeowners make is not buying the proper safes and improper placement in the residence of the safe.
Another good back up for the safe is an alarm system that is monitored 24/7. Remember, a home safe only serves one purpose: to temporarily protect your valuables "till help arrives". So this is where the alarm comes in handy, when the police are on the way, most good safes will hold off for at least 60-90 minutes for the common criminal armed usually with five and dime tools. This will give adequate time for police to attend and search your residence.
Keep in mind that 99% of safe attacks are committed by common criminals (non-professional)with no idea the safe was in the residence, however, stumbled on it because the homeowner did not take the time to hide it in a discreet area.
Another must is to "bolt" down the safe. All safes come with a bolt down kit, usually 4 lag bolts between 4"-6" long, two made for wood and the other 2 made for concrete.
The pricier the safe, generally means the better quality protection you get, after all, remember what your momma always said, " you get what you pay for", and that's the truth when it comes to safes.
I've seen many safe attacks over the years, and some of these were not cheap/inexpensive safes either, but the reason they failed was simple, the safe had no alarm back up. The residence was not alarmed, leaving the thieves all the time in the world to attack while the homeowners were away for 2 weeks vacationing.
Also a 1 hour UL rating at 1700 degrees will give most fire departments time to attack a fire before it gets that hot in the area where your safe would be stored. Basements are obviously the best place to keep a safe, however, we must keep in mind mildew and flooding. There are safes on the market today with that third feature, flood protection. You will pay a premium, but then again, isn't your Collection worth it?

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I've heard of people storing those small Sentry fire safes inside a much larger safe. Basically you end up with a safe inside of a safe. It provides a little extra insulation which can buy a little more time in a fire.

If you live in a rural area like I do, it can take a long time for the fire department to get there.




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Great advice Glenn, I will keep all in mind.
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Glenn, thanks for the great info!
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Buy a gun safe, remove the fire proof carpet lining, then add another layer of cement board. There...just doubled or more the fire rating.

Place at half sheet of cement board over the top of the safe - prevents the fire from the ceiling (that is caving in during a fire) having direct contact with the safe.
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Glenn you know your stuff!

Thanks a bunch.
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Thanks for the info Glenzy that's what I was looking for. I like your thoughts acloco as I like the size of the gun safes you can get three ring binders in them easily.
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Been looking for a nice portable safe with a handle, but everyone complains about moisture inside them. This is avoidable by putting the gels in there, right?
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When you factor in all costs, safety deposit boxes at banks are pretty hard to beat...
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