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New Member
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Pillar of the Community
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Not sure about the double strike but the obverse looks like it has heavy die crack almost all the way around & the reverse has a die crack from about 10 0'clock to 2 o'clock. Are there any raise features of the reverse design in the open fields of the coin,i do see some odd things in your pics but can't see them well enough.
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Bedrock of the Community
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It looks like a circumferential die crack,..... but on BOTH sides? That means a die pair failing in exactly the same place.
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New Member
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I will get out the USB microscope tomorrow and take some close-ups of both sides. My first impression of the obverse was that the space between the top of the lettering and the rim was incused or flattened, making it look like there is a 'gully' around the whole central area. Now I'm thinking it's an optical illusion caused by the circular die crack, so a much closer look will give us all a better idea. Thanks to both of you for your thoughts so far. 
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Yeah there is definitely something esle going on with that coin,the raised bits in the normally clear smooth field do resemble parts of the normally design & the doubling on all the legends would warrant further investigations IMO. Do you have a coin shop or coin dealer near by that you can take the coin to & get their opinion,i really can't make the call for sure but I believe it's worth getting it looked at by a professional.
Sel,Nancy,Markn or a couple of the other members here might be able to give you more info if they see the thread.
I'd love to see it I hand as it has me very interested in what exactly it is.
Is the obverse & reverse correctly opposite each other ,no rotation ?
I'm actually thinking it is heavy die clash along with all the other errors already mentioned but as I said too hard of a call for a definite from me sorry.
Edited by appleangel07 06/23/2012 09:31 am
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Formerly nancyc
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I have been following this thread and haven't really decided what I think about this coin. Die crack, I very much doubt it, it's just too neat & I think it highly unlikely that circumferential die cracks would occur on both sides to this extent.  However, what it does remind me of, is the 2008 5 cent coins with the 'extra' ring around the edge. I'm thinking that there are probably a lot more of these coins yet to be noticed and reported.  I'll dig out my 2002's and see if any of them have it and maybe if everyone does this, it may at least solve part of the dilemma. 
life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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What an interesting coin this is turning out to be!  I won't have access to a coin shop or dealer for some months that I know of, so I'm sorry that won't help solve any questions.  Thanks appleangel and nancy for your comments to date.  It would be great if someone else found one like it to look at that's more cluey than me.  Here's hoping! 
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Bedrock of the Community
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RAD change: Perhaps you could telephone a professional dealer who you consider would be across this type of issue, and to log onto the CCF Website as a guest, and refer him to this thread.
At least he will see the same pictures and comments as us, and perhaps make some comments of his own.
You never know, we may even score another CCF member!
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Bedrock of the Community
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It might be that the dies may have been damaged. I guess if that was the case, the coining press would have been automatically triggered to stop.
The Mint is worth a try. 'Phone the Mint and ask to speak to a technical officer, explain your coin and get his name. Address any correspondance to that person, with back reference and date to the phone call.
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Formerly nancyc
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Well, I checked all the 2002 coins I had at hand, 35 of them, and found 1 that's has a small raised line on the Obv that is a bit similar to RAD's coin, but I don't really think it's the same: Here's the obv with arrows indicating where the line starts and ends. I had to tilt the scope to try to get any of the line to show up, so that's why it's a tad out of round.  Close up of just the area involved.  No extra lines on the Rev at all. Unfortunately the coin is stained, I washed it to see if I could improve it, but no go. I might give it a soak and see what happens. IMO, it's only worth 10c, so I can hardly devalue it. 
life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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Yeah,i don't think ya gonna devalue it by giving it a wash Nancy.  I get what you were thinking the lines were & I did pull all my similar coins out to check,2008 5cents & 20 cents & all the other years I have with the doubled rim appearance but none are like Rad's coin,the main difference I see is that the ones I have the metal is all built up to the same level as the inner line if you know what I mean,where as with Rad's coin,there is no build up of metal between the lines & the Rim. I hope I explained what I mean well enough but I think you'll get what I'm saying.
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Formerly nancyc
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I soaked it and it looks a bit better, 2 more close-ups:   I still don't know what caused it. Looking more like a die crack on my coin, but for some reason, I don't think that's what it is. I wonder if it could be something that happened to the planchet when the rimming was done.  I don't know enough about that part of the process to know if that's feasible or not.
life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: I wonder if it could be something that happened to the planchet when the rimming was done. That would explain why the effect is on BOTH sides of the coin 
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 with nancyc. I think it has happened to the planchet when rimming was done. I have seen this "trench" inside the rim of $1 coins quite a lot during my "noodling". I have kept this rather natty 1985 $1 coin because it has such a well developed "trench". Pic attached below  Squire 
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