Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Shop for APMEX Bullion on eBay!Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Specializing in Modern Numismatics 300,000 items to help build your collection! Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes.








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Is This A Double Struck 10c Do You Think?

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 17 / Views: 4,340Next Topic
Page: of 2
New Member
RAD change's Avatar
Australia
44 Posts
 Posted 06/22/2012  06:58 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add RAD change to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all, am enjoying a spell in WA currently and came up with this 2002 10c in my change this week. I think it's been double struck, but I'm not sure how it would have happened to make it look like this.

Can any of you enlighten me more about it?



Is-This-A-Double-Struck-10c-Do-You-Think?

Is-This-A-Double-Struck-10c-Do-You-Think?
Pillar of the Community
appleangel07's Avatar
Australia
1607 Posts
 Posted 06/22/2012  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure about the double strike but the obverse looks like it has heavy die crack almost all the way around & the reverse has a die crack from about 10 0'clock to 2 o'clock.
Are there any raise features of the reverse design in the open fields of the coin,i do see some odd things in your pics but can't see them well enough.
Bedrock of the Community
sel_69l's Avatar
Australia
21786 Posts
 Posted 06/22/2012  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a circumferential die crack,..... but on BOTH sides?
That means a die pair failing in exactly the same place.
New Member
RAD change's Avatar
Australia
44 Posts
 Posted 06/22/2012  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RAD change to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will get out the USB microscope tomorrow and take some close-ups of both sides.

My first impression of the obverse was that the space between the top of the lettering and the rim was incused or flattened, making it look like there is a 'gully' around the whole central area. Now I'm thinking it's an optical illusion caused by the circular die crack, so a much closer look will give us all a better idea.

Thanks to both of you for your thoughts so far.
New Member
RAD change's Avatar
Australia
44 Posts
 Posted 06/23/2012  06:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RAD change to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a struggle that USB microscope is!
Am going to have to check out the one nancy uses the minute I get a chance!

Anyhow, here are several photos of each side, such as they are. Not sure whether they'll help or not. As appleangel observed, they do show the obverse die crack only seems to run from @7k clockwise to @5k, and from @10k to @2k on the reverse. All the letter doubling on the obv. shows best in the first photo tho.



Is-This-A-Double-Struck-10c-Do-You-Think?

Is-This-A-Double-Struck-10c-Do-You-Think?

Is-This-A-Double-Struck-10c-Do-You-Think?

Is-This-A-Double-Struck-10c-Do-You-Think?

Is-This-A-Double-Struck-10c-Do-You-Think?

Is-This-A-Double-Struck-10c-Do-You-Think?

Is-This-A-Double-Struck-10c-Do-You-Think?
Pillar of the Community
appleangel07's Avatar
Australia
1607 Posts
 Posted 06/23/2012  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah there is definitely something esle going on with that coin,the raised bits in the normally clear smooth field do resemble parts of the normally design & the doubling on all the legends would warrant further investigations IMO.
Do you have a coin shop or coin dealer near by that you can take the coin to & get their opinion,i really can't make the call for sure but I believe it's worth getting it looked at by a professional.

Sel,Nancy,Markn or a couple of the other members here might be able to give you more info if they see the thread.

I'd love to see it I hand as it has me very interested in what exactly it is.

Is the obverse & reverse correctly opposite each other ,no rotation ?

I'm actually thinking it is heavy die clash along with all the other errors already mentioned but as I said too hard of a call for a definite from me sorry.
Edited by appleangel07
06/23/2012 09:31 am
Formerly nancyc
Nevol's Avatar
Australia
5385 Posts
 Posted 06/23/2012  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been following this thread and haven't really decided what I think about this coin. Die crack, I very much doubt it, it's just too neat & I think it highly unlikely that circumferential die cracks would occur on both sides to this extent.

However, what it does remind me of, is the 2008 5 cent coins with the 'extra' ring around the edge. I'm thinking that there are probably a lot more of these coins yet to be noticed and reported.

I'll dig out my 2002's and see if any of them have it and maybe if everyone does this, it may at least solve part of the dilemma.
life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
New Member
RAD change's Avatar
Australia
44 Posts
 Posted 06/24/2012  02:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RAD change to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What an interesting coin this is turning out to be!

I won't have access to a coin shop or dealer for some months that I know of, so I'm sorry that won't help solve any questions.

Thanks appleangel and nancy for your comments to date.
It would be great if someone else found one like it to look at that's more cluey than me. Here's hoping!


Bedrock of the Community
sel_69l's Avatar
Australia
21786 Posts
 Posted 06/24/2012  05:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
RAD change: Perhaps you could telephone a professional dealer who you consider would be across this type of issue, and to log onto the CCF Website as a guest, and refer him to this thread.

At least he will see the same pictures and comments as us, and perhaps make some comments of his own.

You never know, we may even score another CCF member!
New Member
RAD change's Avatar
Australia
44 Posts
 Posted 06/24/2012  07:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RAD change to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sel - my husband suggested sending the photo's to the RA Mint to see if they could shed some light on it. Am I likely to get any response from them do you think?

Also - I'm going to ask a really dumb newbie question here... Is it at all possible the 10c blank was struck hard (at least on the obverse) with the empty collars from a $2 die during a changeover of denominations? I put a $2 coin on top of a 10c, and the room left between the outer edge of the 2 to the inside rim of the 10 corresponds to the circular impression on the 10c darn closely. If the die changeover was then completed and the blank was struck again or double struck with the normal 10c dies it might look like mine. It would explain why the U, S, & T in Australia especially look like they were stamped on top of the edge of the circular area.

Just grasping at straws I guess. I've no idea what the collar that holds the dies together looks like or whether such a thing is even possible, so don't laugh too hard please

I'm happy to ask weird questions though, if it might stimulate some fresh perspectives.


Bedrock of the Community
sel_69l's Avatar
Australia
21786 Posts
 Posted 06/24/2012  07:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It might be that the dies may have been damaged. I guess if that was the case, the coining press would have been automatically triggered to stop.

The Mint is worth a try. 'Phone the Mint and ask to speak to a technical officer, explain your coin and get his name. Address any correspondance to that person, with back reference and date to the phone call.
Formerly nancyc
Nevol's Avatar
Australia
5385 Posts
 Posted 06/24/2012  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I checked all the 2002 coins I had at hand, 35 of them, and found 1 that's has a small raised line on the Obv that is a bit similar to RAD's coin, but I don't really think it's the same:

Here's the obv with arrows indicating where the line starts and ends. I had to tilt the scope to try to get any of the line to show up, so that's why it's a tad out of round.
Is-This-A-Double-Struck-10c-Do-You-Think?

Close up of just the area involved.
Is-This-A-Double-Struck-10c-Do-You-Think?

No extra lines on the Rev at all. Unfortunately the coin is stained, I washed it to see if I could improve it, but no go.

I might give it a soak and see what happens. IMO, it's only worth 10c, so I can hardly devalue it.

life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
Pillar of the Community
appleangel07's Avatar
Australia
1607 Posts
 Posted 06/24/2012  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah,i don't think ya gonna devalue it by giving it a wash Nancy.
I get what you were thinking the lines were & I did pull all my similar coins out to check,2008 5cents & 20 cents & all the other years I have with the doubled rim appearance but none are like Rad's coin,the main difference I see is that the ones I have the metal is all built up to the same level as the inner line if you know what I mean,where as with Rad's coin,there is no build up of metal between the lines & the Rim.
I hope I explained what I mean well enough but I think you'll get what I'm saying.
Formerly nancyc
Nevol's Avatar
Australia
5385 Posts
 Posted 06/25/2012  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I soaked it and it looks a bit better, 2 more close-ups:

Is-This-A-Double-Struck-10c-Do-You-Think?

Is-This-A-Double-Struck-10c-Do-You-Think?

I still don't know what caused it. Looking more like a die crack on my coin, but for some reason, I don't think that's what it is.

I wonder if it could be something that happened to the planchet when the rimming was done.

I don't know enough about that part of the process to know if that's feasible or not.
life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
Pillar of the Community
trout1105's Avatar
Australia
7096 Posts
 Posted 06/25/2012  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I wonder if it could be something that happened to the planchet when the rimming was done.

That would explain why the effect is on BOTH sides of the coin
Pillar of the Community
Squire Wilson's Avatar
Australia
653 Posts
 Posted 06/25/2012  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with nancyc. I think it has happened to the planchet when rimming was done.
I have seen this "trench" inside the rim of $1 coins quite a lot during my "noodling". I have kept this rather natty 1985 $1 coin because it has such a well developed "trench". Pic attached below

Squire

Is-This-A-Double-Struck-10c-Do-You-Think?
  Previous TopicReplies: 17 / Views: 4,340Next Topic
Page: of 2

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.42 seconds to rattle this change. Forums