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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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trout1105: St. Gaudens $20 MS62 with small detail, & Liberty Walking MS63.
I wouldn't mind an off metal strike in gold of a Canberra Florin - pity THEY don't exist!
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So what if it has, it is just a bullion coin and a rather plain one at that even with the Walking Liberty on it. I think he was just stating a fact and giving some information, not suggesting that it mattered. |
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wouldn't mind an off metal strike in gold of a Canberra Florin - pity THEY don't exist!
I don't have any gold coins or have any real urge to buy any but if one of these was minted then I would most certainly have to own one  |
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Quote:It doesn't take much heat to cause many natural things to start outgassing and toning silver. Cedar does it at room temp. An ASE laid open on a cedar plank will tone in a week or two. A coin displayed in a case that gets some sun will tone from the gasses released by the materials around it (wood, velvet, etc.) and the reverse may tone more because it is facing those materials. The sun itself is not the culprit, rather it is the gasses that come out of items warmed by the sun that react with the silver to tone it. While I enjoy well tones silver very much, I simply don't understand why some collectors are willing to pay multiples of a coin's intrinsic value for one that is very attractively toned. I agree 100%. The problem is some dealers have been able to promote these as being worth far more than they should be. Pre-1980 people would avoid these and opt for nice white coins. |
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No matter what the coin looks like when you get it, toned or not, you still have to worry about the same problem of retoning. But you can take measures to protect your coins with your storage methods... I know there are some long-time collectors here that have taken such precautions and their coins have not toned or toned further. Quote:
The problem is some dealers have been able to promote these as being worth far more than they should be. In my opinion the burden of knowledge should be on the buyer. They should learn everything about toning before buying so they can make an informed decision - how it happens, what causes it or speeds it up, how to stop it or slow it down, and how manageable it is. The only responsibility the seller has is to be honest and not hide anything from you (or knowingly deceive you). But in my opinion on top of that the coin should not change IF you take all the appropriate measures to preserve its appearance. For example I know a lot of my friends complain that their laptop battery sucks because after just a year it doesn't hold a charge anymore. They blame the battery, but the bottom line is that they did not learn how to maintain it properly which ends up literally accelerating its decay. As far as just the price of a toned coin, the premium you pay for the attractive look is not that different from the premium you pay for a coin's current popularity - they both can change. A 1916-D Mercury dime is several times more expensive than a 1912-S Liberty V nickel, but no one would complain to the dealer if people favored Liberty nickels 20 years from now and the Merc dime lost value. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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He said he has had it for a long time and it has just sat in the open in a display glass case in his shop Was the display case lined with felt? |
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I agree 100%. The problem is some dealers have been able to promote these as being worth far more than they should be. Pre-1980 people would avoid these and opt for nice white coins. I personally like the toned craze. Leaves more clean coins for me  |
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yes, the case was lined with felt
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United States
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The market is not there because of dealer promotion. Thats ludicrous. If people dint like and want them, all the promotion in the world would do squat. Simple fact is there are a lot of people out there who like toned coins. Plain and simple.
I have collected off and on since I was a kid, so saying that someone that collected 80s or before wont like toned coins is dead wrong. If you were to say old collectors who are narrow minded and cant accept something outside of their "norm", then yeah, I would accept that. I like both. A nice coin is a nice coin, blast white or this beauty here.
And frankly, it looks exactly like what it has been presented as. A coin that spent years in display case getting exposed to the sun.
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Australia
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The only problem I have with these toned coins is IF they become more sought after/valuable than a traditional cartwheel luster coin then people WILL try and emulate the toning by different means and destroy perfectly good coins in the process. I can just imagine these rainbow coins in 20-30 years time looking blackened and awful. I agree they do have a certain eye appeal but at the same time they have been environmentally/deliberately damaged and will never be a pristine coin in IMHO. These coins are but a passing fad, a bit like the Rubik's cube and the fluffy dice on the rear vision mirror. My only problem with this fad is that there will be countless good coins needlessly damaged in the quest to have the best toning  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I thought the case might have been felt, it is certainly capable of imparting vivid toning to SAEs.
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United States
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Pre-1980 people would avoid these and opt for nice white coins. Yeah but for a different reason than you're saying. What I understand is that they just wanted to be sure the coin wasn't 'messed with' as in artificially or intentionally toned. It wasn't that they were worried about the coin's appearance changing over time. Quote:
I agree they do have a certain eye appeal but at the same time they have been environmentally/deliberately damaged and will never be a pristine coin in IMHO.
My only problem with this fad is that there will be countless good coins needlessly damaged in the quest to have the best toning There are people who try to emulate both toned coins and "pristine" coins. There's dipping, abrasive cleaning or polishing, putty, or even lasering. Countless coins will continue to be damaged out of greed for an extra buck, and the "fad" of pursuing toned coins isn't the only reason this happens. In fact, whatever it is collectors desire most, there will be people trying to emulate that. Also you can call toned coins a fad and not really be incorrect, but realize that coin collecting itself is nothing more than a fad which has lasted a long time. Edited by donkrx
06/25/2012 02:04 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't get all of this excitement about "toned" coins; they just look like they are tarnished to me. I guess I fall into the group who like things that shine and appear to be new. When people get out their silverware they always polish it up before the guests arrive. I don't recall someone sitting down to eat and saying wow this fork or spoon or tea set has some great toning to it :-)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I like this thread! So, to summarize:
1 - my coin is not "cooked" as was alleged by haters but rather my coin is a result of felt lined cases that had nice sun on them releasing gasses (sulfur) from the felt and creating the tone
2 - "old school collectors"; pre-1980, hate my toned SAE and would rather a luster/cartwheeled white metal looking coins
3 - Trout1105 is a bit nervous that good coins will now be soiled and riddled with problems when some stoner decides, after a few good bong hits, that his collection might look good if it matched the colors of the rainbow he is now seeing in front of him...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would've bought it for 30 bucks, hells yeah !
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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