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 Posted 06/29/2012  2:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Tell me, does hniyazi deserve a positive just for paying? Um, I think not. This is exactly why you wait until the transaction is over to leave feedback. It's called the moron factor and there's more of it than you think. Biggest lie in business... "The customer is always right."
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 Posted 06/29/2012  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you are referring to leaving a positive feedback for the buyer for paying (within a reasonable amount of time); my answer would be "yes".

I guess that I don't know the full story.
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 Posted 06/29/2012  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you go to the link and look at the feedback? It's self-explanatory.
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 Posted 06/29/2012  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had a look at the link and noticed that the seller had an awful lot of neg and neutral feedback.
I always leave positive feedback as soon as I receive payment,The buyers obligations have been fulfilled and feedback is warranted at that time.
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 Posted 06/29/2012  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow. Look at the last neg form hniyazi, then look at the listing. There is NO WAY that buyer deserved a positive just for paying. He's an idiot.
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 Posted 06/29/2012  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The link is blocked at work. That is where "I guess that I don't know the full story" comes into play.
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 Posted 06/29/2012  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgfindring to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably not, but as a seller can only leave positive feedback, it's that or leave nothing.
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 Posted 06/29/2012  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not even gonna bother clicking the link.

No, the buyer does not get a Positive just for paying. His job is not done. He could turn out to be an impossible critic of whatever I sent him. Some collectors wouldn't know MS63 over AU50 if you physically slapped them with it. I could make a mistake, and he could be....less than gentlemanly about my efforts to make it good.

No, I don't leave immediate Feedback for a buyer. I plainly state in my auctions:


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I do not leave feedback until you have received your item and have indicated to me that you're satisfied. Since I offer a no-questions return policy, there's no need for you to ever leave me a Negative feedback, and it's obvious that I should be allowed to make a problem right before you evaluate me.


And that is still not good enough for some. As far as I'm concerned, a seller who leaves immediate Feedback doesn't really care about their reputation; that's what the trolls are looking for.
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 Posted 06/29/2012  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have to look Dave, it's an absolute classic example of why not to leave feedback on payment.
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 Posted 06/29/2012  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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And that is still not good enough for some. As far as I'm concerned, a seller who leaves immediate Feedback doesn't really care about their reputation; that's what the trolls are looking for.


I have no idea why some people are so paranoid about getting bad feedback, the buyers will leave whatever feedback they deem fit, no matter what you do.
I DO care about my reputation and that is why I always make sure that what I am selling will please the buyers and I post the items as soon as humanly possible and as economically as I can.
As we can no longer leave neg feedback for buyers I can't see the value in delaying feedback to the buyer.
As for trolls..... that's what the blocked bidders list is for
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 Posted 06/29/2012  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJB17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have only bought items on ebay. Haven't delved into the selling aspect yet. However you have hit on one of my biggest peeves on ebay. Does hniyazi deserve positive feedback for paying? Um I definitely think so. The transaction is two sided, he pays, they deliver. Done. Once he pays, his half of the contract is satisfied and complete. Feedback should be immediately provided. It bothers me to no end when sellers wait until after I leave them positive feedback before they leave me positive feedback. What are they doing, holding my positive feedback for ransom? If I gave them negative feedback because of bad service, does that mean I should get negative as well? THEIR service should have no bearing on MY feedback. Sellers have the opportunity to reply to feedback, so that should be their recourse from a negative or neutral feedback. Of course, I am venting here because I have no other recourse to do it on ebay, so I apologize for that.

I looked at the replies in the link provided and it reminds me of my (very close) second biggest peeve on ebay. Sellers who reply to negative feedback with SHOUTING, insults, or bitter invective, or sometimes all three.

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"What in the world is this? "though gave dimensions" REALLY?"

Really, indeed. Was that constructive? Whatever happened to common decency and being cordial when dealing with the "customer"? Do responses like this make people feel better about themselves afterward?

Ninety-nine percent of the time when I'm making a purchase on ebay I look at the seller's feedback. Not only the score, but their replies to feedback provided, if they are not 100% positive. If I see bitter, insulting, or derogatory replies to recent feedback, I always walk away. I don't need someone like that, and they don't deserve my money. So what if it costs me a couple cents or a dollar or two to buy from someone else.

That being said, I hope we can still be friends. Nothing personal meant by it, I just hope that my response has been constructive for all those ebay sellers out there. Remember, ebay doesn't require proof of a college degree to sign on. Sometimes you're dealing with the lowest common denominators in society. Looking at hniyazi's response, he may not even speak English as a first language. Not that that alone makes him/her part of the lowest common denominator, but that needs to be considered before lashing out in response to them. Thank you for reading if you made it this far. I feel better. Whew!
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 Posted 06/29/2012  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Does hniyazi deserve positive feedback for paying? Um I definitely thing so. The transaction is two sided, he pays, you deliver. Done.


You're insane. The dumbbutt negged him because he didn't read the listing. Did you look at the item page he bought? It was crystal clear he was buying a spring! You'd be OK with that neg and happy with the guy just because he paid?

Big red letters almost 900 pixels wide at the top of the listing!

Feedback-Upon-Payment?

Then the guy negs him because it wasn't the entire thing!
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 Posted 06/29/2012  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He's in the Azerbaijan Republic. English is not one of his strong points. When I sold on ebay I always blocked buyers from certain countries and this would have been one of them. I would not give him POS feedback.
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 Posted 06/29/2012  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJB17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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You're insane.

No, but I'm a carrier.

I guess since I am not a seller that I still live in that rose colored world where positive feedback is given on payment and buyers contact the seller before giving a negative feedback too. I've had a purchase or two where I wanted to leave negative feedback, but I contacted the sellers and we worked it out. In the end I've never yet provided negative feedback to anyone, so take whatever I say for what it's worth. If I appear insane then so be it.
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 Posted 06/29/2012  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I totally agree that the buyer is an absolute moron and the neg was totally unfounded.
If I was the seller I would have emailed the buyer and requested a feedback revision explaining that all he bought was the spring that was clearly described in the listing and offer him his money back.
If this didn't work I would have simply put in a reply of "unbelievable" and walked away.
The seller left feedback as a courtesy and I consider that to be a polite way of doing business and a good thing.
If I have a problem with a buyer I will thank them for their business and immediately add them to my blocked bidders list.
That way I will have been polite and courteous and also covered myself from any further problems with that particular buyer/ratbag.
Communication is the KEY and if you haven't got it you are locked out from a solution to your problem




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 Posted 06/29/2012  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If I appear insane then so be it.


He He I don't think we are the only nut cases in the asylum
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