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2012 Doubled Die Found

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Please note the difference.First shot is of a "normal" 2012, the second shows doubling.

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 Posted 07/12/2012  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imohtep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unless my eyes are deceiving me ( which at 22 years old with perfect vision as confirmed yesterday by a dr ) I don't see any doubling..
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and with the way dies are made now, doubling is almost impossible.
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I see what you are refering to...the bottoms of the T and the Y are slanted and the right part of the "Y" is a little thicker than the other side. It could be a very very mild DD...
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Fuzzy...please explain how it is almost impossible to have a doubled die on newer coins...There are a couple nice ones for 2010 and 2011 cents...and how about the Duke Ellington Quarter?
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 Posted 07/12/2012  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This looks to me clearly like a minor doubled die. The notching isn't subtle.
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I thought new dies are made with a lathe that grinds out the design from a blank. It makes one pass for the design, so unless the grinder was specifically programmed to make a pass for the date again, doubles would be almost impossible.
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Nice find DrDon! That's the first 2012 I've seen - QUESTION - how many 2012's did you go through until you found this one.

I have several rolls that I've been putting off going through, but I think I've found my inspiration!
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Nope, that's only how master hubs are made. Master dies, working hubs, and working dies are made by hubbing in a press. In the past, doubled dies occurred because hubbing required multiple passes to make a full impression, and in between passes, the die had to be removed from the press and softened in an annealing oven.

Around '96-'97, the mint started using a new process that only required a single squeeze, but it actually didn't stop the doubled dies from occurring. In fact, there may be more minor doubled dies now. It seems that they're caused by a shift occurring during the hubbing process.

There have been countless very minor doubled dies during the single-squeeze era - think of all the doubled column bars or statue knees on LMCs, or all the central design doubling on 2009 cent reverses. There have been a handful State Quarters with central doubling on the reverse as well, the DC quarter most notably. The 2005 "Ocean in View" nickel had a number of very minor examples of central doubling on the reverse, and there is a fairly strong doubled die for the obverse of the 2004-P "Peace Medal" nickel. There have also been some strong DDOs on cents in 2006 and 2011 and some more minor ones in other years as well.
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Thanks CaptainFwiffo,

learned something new
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Lonz: I got a Brinks box last Friday(18% copper),I have three of these out of that box.Maybe 100-150 2012's.
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Looks similar to the one Bob Piazza found in April...but not exactly the same. He said it wasn't strong enough to list. Good eye DrDon
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I see what might be a doubled die - but to me it's too minor.
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What mint?
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