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Proof ASE/Frn Set (Making History Coin & Currency Set)

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 Posted 07/18/2012  01:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great Googly Moogly. Sure sounds like a fast one.

As you've all said, per the Mint web site, it's a Proof ASE from SF. Can't imagine they wouldn't stick a MM on it. Maybe they'll give it a special finish or something.

Possible they were expecting more 2-coin sets to sell than 250k and have a surplus of something in the system somewhere?
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This would have been a perfect sales opportunity if they put a burnished S in this set instead of a proof....the sales would have been in the hundreds of thousands. Now they will be lucky to sell 100k...

There was ZERO reason to repeat the proof for this set....
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The only way to make them think is to not buy their product.

That's close, but I don't think that's quite enough. We have to not buy the product and tell them WHY we didn't buy it.
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Well for most of us, it's not too late to cancel SF Set orders. I have an order of two and a separate single order in. Might cancel the double depending on how things shake out with the SF ASE coin included with this set.
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Well for most of us, it's not too late to cancel SF Set orders.


I have mine coming in different boxes as well. I'm very tempted to cancel a couple and specifically state this as the reason why
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Normally I defend the mint. This time, no way. This is ridiculous.
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 Posted 07/18/2012  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jakeman406 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
if this is just a S mint proof in this set those of us that got the 2 coin set are just paying $149.95 for a reverse proof if that's the case I will buy a lot less from the mint.
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Meh 250k is a lot. whoever is buying the 2 coin set and thinking they got something special is wrong. Anyone who buys this new S proof set thinking they are getting something special is wrong.

the anniversary set released last year was a fluke. the mint doesn't set out to create rarities. They set out to get you to buy as much over priced stuff they can to make profit.

They will make proofs, reverse proofs, different mint marks, burnished, etc, etc to get you to buy the same thing over and over at higher prices.

You're much better off letting someone else buy all their crap and then buy the coins you're actually interested in on the secondary market. Yes, you make have to pay more than issue price for a couple pieces, but you'll still get most things overall at a cheaper price in the secondary market.

I saw a lot of people buying multiple 2 coin sets thinking it would be a quick flip for cash. News Flash, if you're thinking this, people with more money than you were thinking this too. If the big boys aren't doing it, it's because it won't make money.

Buy the coin if you like it. If you're buying it to make money, you're gonna be disappointed. You're not gonna get rich on anything that people can buy directly from the mint themselves.
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Meh 250k is a lot


Not for ASEs and thats the same amount the 06 set had which also bring a premium


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I saw a lot of people buying multiple 2 coin sets thinking it would be a quick flip for cash. News Flash, if you're thinking this, people with more money than you were thinking this too. If the big boys aren't doing it, it's because it won't make money.


They were selling for about 200 on ebay before they even went off sale. This new release could drive the price down though. And the big boys did buy them to flip them, a good amount of them too all the sites have them being graded.
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It's pretty clear from the wording on the mint site that the coin in this set
will be a proof, and will have an 'S' mint mark. The only time they do not mark
ASEs with mint is the business strikes. Burnish and proof ALWAYS have a mint mark,
and why would they call this coin a tribute to the SF mint, if it wasn't going
to be an SF coin.

So, the 2 coin special set just became a 2 coin set with only 1 special coin.
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I don't see anywhere that is says that it will include an S mint proof coin. Maybe I am missing something or it is stated elsewhere. The product page refers to the "2012 American Eagle Silver Proof Coin" which is technically the W mint version. It is clearly a proof coin and being one it will bear the mark of the mint where it is struck but to me it looks like it is the standard 2012 proof ASE, the West Point coin.
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I don't see anywhere that is says that it will include an S mint proof coin. Maybe I am missing something or it is stated elsewhere. The product page refers to the "2012 American Eagle Silver Proof Coin" which is technically the W mint version. It is clearly a proof coin and being one it will bear the mark of the mint where it is struck but to me it looks like it is the standard 2012 proof ASE, the West Point coin.


Should have probably responded to you here since this is the more relevant thread but since both threads are discussing the same thing right now ill resay it.

You could be right. Based on what we know though when the mint says
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honors the heritage of coin production at the United States Mint at San Francisco

I just dont see how a coin not produced at SF that isn't a SF commemorative can be honoring the SF mint.

Again I agree the mint should have just said one way or another a S or W ASE as we all know they know which coin will be in the set. If you are right this is the worst and most poorly worded description in the history of coins. No reason the SF mint should have been mentioned if its a W
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Meh 250k is a lot


Not for ASEs and thats the same amount the 06 set had which also bring a premium


And now there are more coins in that range. which is the key now? I would venture to say the 06 may come down too.
250k may be low for an ASE, but it's just a Bullion coin, admittedly a more popular Bullion coin, but Most NIFC mint products have low mintages(see modern comms)Most carry little or now premium over intrinsic value despite mintages.
What happens when the mint desides to have a 250k mintage ASE next year, and the year after that? They've already been making more and more gimmicky releases in the that last few years. I just don't see the point in trying to catch lightning in a bottle when it ooks like the mint is gonna saturate the market.



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I saw a lot of people buying multiple 2 coin sets thinking it would be a quick flip for cash. News Flash, if you're thinking this, people with more money than you were thinking this too. If the big boys aren't doing it, it's because it won't make money.


They were selling for about 200 on ebay before they even went off sale. This new release could drive the price down though. And the big boys did buy them to flip them, a good amount of them too all the sites have them being graded.


Yes, and it's done now. watch the prices fall before any of the small people even get their coins. You may still get lucky with a TPG, but there's better ways to gamble than that.

I reiterate, buy them if you like them, but I contend you'll never make an easy profit directly from the mint.
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And now there are more coins in that range. which is the key now? I would venture to say the 06 may come down too.
250k may be low for an ASE, but it's just a Bullion coin, admittedly a more popular Bullion coin, but Most NIFC mint products have low mintages(see modern comms)Most carry little or now premium over intrinsic value despite mintages.
What happens when the mint desides to have a 250k mintage ASE next year, and the year after that? They've already been making more and more gimmicky releases in the that last few years. I just don't see the point in trying to catch lightning in a bottle when it ooks like the mint is gonna saturate the market.


Theyre both to close where it doesn't really matter. As of now the RP remains unaffected by the new set which is the coin people ultimately care about the most in both the 06 and 11 set, this one should be no different.

ASEs arent just a bullion coin other than the bullion versions. Some people use them as only that but most are smart enough to buy the bullion version for that. If it was none of them would carry premiums over melt.

I do agree they are saturating the market with fake sets now with the mint to demand stuff. That said the sets still do pretty well. Even if they do do that though being the 3rd one its still new enough to have an upside. If they run off a set like this for the next 2 or 3 years though youre right any premiums will have been killed aside from the RP one if this is the only way theyll put out an RP.

The prices now will probably come down then go back up again as they get harder to find then settle at their real after market price after a spike when the internet isn't flooded with listings for it. Will it carry the 2011 premium, not a chance, but even if it carries the 06 premium or close to it you still made some money for doing nothing.

Theres always gonna be a risk if you try and flip some. But with these the risk is kind of minimal with how it was done. If you ordered late you wont get it till novemeber, by then youll be able to have a decent idea of what theyre doing. If it completely crashes you can cancel or just return them and youre out posting no big loss, if not you can get them.

Would I recommend getting 100 of them or getting them only for that, no. But its not unreasonable to get a couple extra just in case of a spike. You wont get rich but with any luck the extra sets can pay for the sets you did want to keep on youre own.
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It would be a real confusing day if the mint released details saying we were all wrong and it's actually going to be a Denver mint proof. You know, just to keep us on our toes.
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