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 Posted 07/25/2012  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1967Canadapenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@january1may:
it was a 1920 penny I found coin roll hunting and kept in my pocket for a while. It wasn't anything valuable, I was just appalled that a TPG as respectable as ngc would do that. I'm sure it was an honest mistake, but still, if I'm going to pay for a lowball coin to get graded, I want it to have a realistic grade. It has since been re slabbed (VG4) by PCGS.
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 Posted 07/25/2012  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Shows that even the pro graders don't always get it right.


I think a lot of times they don't get it 'right'.
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 Posted 07/26/2012  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I thought PCGS had a buy-back policy if they overgraded a coin in their holder...

They do but they also have an escape clause. If it is OBVIOUSLY way off then it is clearly a "mechanical" error and the guarantee does not apply.
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 Posted 07/26/2012  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That coin looks like a PIG!
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 Posted 07/26/2012  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kookoox10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, raw deal on that one.
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 Posted 07/29/2012  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g048406 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seller took a $100 loss on the ebay sale of that coin. The coin sold at DLRC Auction for $954.50:
http://www.davidlawrence.com/invent...ntory/226732

The coin looks pretty good, it's the holder that's all messed-up
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 Posted 07/29/2012  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is simply a crappy coin. Yes, the die was obviously really bad, but that ting has NO luster, has minor wear and is so far from an MS coin it isn't even funny. That does NOT fall into nobody is perfect. That falls into this is why PCGS is so over rated its sad.
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 Posted 07/29/2012  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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That falls into this is why PCGS is so over rated its sad.


1 coin out of 27 million should be the sole factor of determining a TPGs reputation?
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 Posted 07/29/2012  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mackwork to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a lot more than 1 out of 27 million, if you read a lot of posts on this subject. Misgraded & mislabelled ones do happen from PGCS. But, no TPG is perfect, although we expect it from PGCS. When it's your own coin that's been messed up, it doesn't matter if it's one out of a thousand or one out of billion.
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It's a lot more than 1 out of 27 million, if you read a lot of posts on this subject. Misgraded & mislabelled ones do happen from PGCS. But, no TPG is perfect, although we expect it from PGCS. When it's your own coin that's been messed up, it doesn't matter if it's one out of a thousand or one out of billion.


Thats exactly my point about nothing being perfect. As long as its run by humans mistakes will be made. That being said though the overwhelming majority of their coins are exactly what their labels say they are.

Id also add that especially with older coins it can be impossible to know what the coin looked like when it graded. The slab does a real good job of protecting the coins, but its not perfect either. That thing could have just been stored horribly causing some of the damage too or just terrible pictures ect.

But like you said none of them are perfect and we shouldnt expect them to be. We should also we remember we arent perfect either
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 Posted 07/29/2012  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gyrene7483 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin or the label was switched. This is not the same coin that was in the slab when sold by David Lawrence. Notice how the photos do not show the sides of the slab. See the scratches on the hologram on the back? Those scratches are not on the outside of the plastic slab.

If you look carefully at the coin on Lawrence's web site and this one you can see there are no marks on the cheek or the severe scratches in the field or at the date.

There is absolutely no way PCGS would have graded this coin, period. It would have been labeled as genuine at best with no grade due to its post mint damage.

Ed
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 Posted 07/29/2012  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g048406 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, it turns out this coin sold last year, on 12/8/11 at the Heritage NY auction for $1,035. The coin was described by Heritage as "The strike on this well-detailed MS63 specimen is a little soft on the central obverse, but the attractive light brown surfaces show areas of original red". This is DEFINATELY the same exact coin on ebay. You can forensic the coin by the toning spots on the obverse and reverse.

http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?hdnJu...3090&x=0&y=0
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 Posted 07/29/2012  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I remember hearing it stated many times on this site "buy the coin, not the slab". This is a good example of why.
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