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Is Anyone More Critical On Walkers After Seeing ASEs?

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I was looking over my 7070 slabs this weekend, and my Walker and ASE were within close proximity of each other and I was comparing the strike quality to each other. My ASE is a 1986 NGC MS69 and my Walker is a 1942-S NGC MS64+, and I was kinda soured by the difference in strike, especially in the left hand. I realize that the quality has come a long way since the Walkers were mass struck for circulation, and that the ASE's are struck with more care (and pressure?) for collectors.

It just struck me odd. I am probably not alone.

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 Posted 08/13/2012  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Modern technology allows for much better everything.
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The San Francisco walkers are particularly bad, but it's hard to find fully-struck examples from any mint. They came up with special designations for some other series to (sorta) indicate full strike (full-band, full-bell-line, full-head, full-steps, etc.) - they might need a full-hand designation for walkers.
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Compare the mintages of the halves of 1942 to those of 1941.
With WWII getting underway, the need for coins in circulation
became critical. The dies became worn quicker and were not replaced
just because the strikes were worsening.
If someone could kindly post a photo of a similarly graded coin for the years just previous
a comparison can be made between the two halves.
That would prove or disprove my assertion.
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 Posted 08/13/2012  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mackwork to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It would help to compare same grades. A MS69 Walker might look better.
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I agree the Mint has came a long way since the 40's.
I would guess the equepment used to mint these ASE coins is much better, and quality control also much better.
Also I would think the mint emplotees are better trained and better schooled in there craft.
That said I for one favor the Walker half dollar over the ASE coin. But to me you are comparing apples and oranges.
One coin was minted for commerace and circulation, the other minted as a bullion coin, or a collector coin. Not for everyday use.
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The other thing to remember is the Canvas is much larger on the ASE, which allows for much more detail, and more definition of features.
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I don't think it is very fair to compare the two. Different coins struck for very different reasons.

Bigger canvass as someone else mentioned struck essentially as a proof.

But I've never been a fan at all of ASE's so your mileage may vary. I've just never gotten into things created solely to cater towards collectors. I liked stamps and baseball cards when they were stamps and baseball cards. Once the trend towards making them just for collectors my enthusiasm waned.
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I am no more critical on the 1/2 VS the ASE. Both have great eye appeal and I collect both in their series. I prefer the reverse of the half dollar.
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I've compared them, too. Well-struck Walkers are harder to find, but really look great when you do find one. Personally, I find ASEs a bit bland.
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To me a well struck Walker puts an ASE to shame.
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i agree with muddler half dollar all the way
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I've compared them, too. Well struck Walkers are harder to find, but really look great when you do find one. Personally, I find ASE's a bit bland.

Ditto.

Ed
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The problem, from what I've read, lies in the reverse design on the Walkers. With so much relief in the eagle design on the reverse, there was not sufficient pressure and metal flow to make the left hand pop.

And, to be honest, I love the walkers for the reverse design. So, the reverse of the ASEs to me are disappointing.
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Here is a comparison of reverse of these two coins.

Walking Liberty half

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Or Silver America Eagle

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Which do you prefer?
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 Posted 08/15/2012  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gyrene7483 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No doubt which is the better of the two reverses. The Walker's eagle is proud and strong with a don't mess with me attitude and the ASE is, well, hiding behind a shield with his wings back as if to say I give up. That's what I see, you may agree or disagree and that's your right. I don't own any ASE's.

Ed
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