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2000 Coloured 50c Proof Discolouration

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 Posted 08/14/2012  08:25 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add rbarat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi All,
Hoping to get the opinion of others.
I just noticed the 50c piece in my 2000 mint set is starting to discolour on the obverse.

Anyone else with the same?
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 Posted 08/14/2012  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rob, I just checked my sets & no problem with either.
Is your coin actually that blue colour at the base of the queens neck & in front of her nose or is that reflection from the packaging ?
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 Posted 08/14/2012  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rbarat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Behind her neck is the discolouration
Even around the rim the packaging seems to be leaching onto the coin
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 Posted 08/14/2012  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's really unfortunate. I remember a few members having trouble with their 2004 sets with the coloured $1 coin perhaps upsetting the other coins. Maybe this is a similar issue although the 2004 $1 and the 2001 coloured 50c are quite different.
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 Posted 08/16/2012  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add goatieman23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe the RAM should just STOP COLOURING COINS ALL TOGETHER!!
I have one of the faulty 2004 holographic proof sets & when I looked at my prized set I found my set was another set that had suffered the poor disease? spread? I was soooo disappointed!
If they had any consideration for potential faulty products & refunds &/or replacements, then fair enough. But speaking to them about any of their faults is (literally) like speaking to a concrete wall. They give you hope by telling you that they will get you into contact with someone that can help, then you receive their call & get a well there's nothing we can do about this. Let's see if (or should I say when) the 2012 hypermetalic mint set 50 cent piece released has issues too.
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 Posted 08/16/2012  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have purchased two of the hyper metallic 2012 sets. One I have left in the packaging and the other one I have busted out in case the same thing happens as had happened with the 2004 and now maybe 2000 sets. Its a shame that they do something that looks so nice but doesn't quite work.
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08/16/2012 9:38 pm
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 Posted 08/17/2012  07:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am pretty sure that the 2012 hyper metallic sets will be fine.
They are not pad printed like the others they are plated in other metals to achieve the different colours
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 Posted 08/17/2012  08:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CATFISH1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have an 1965(UNCIRCULATED) English Crown that had turned colors also.
So, I used Nu-Finish car polish, and polished it like I do my car.
It took the oxidation off and brought back the natural finish. Now it is is more brighter and has an invisible protective coat on it.
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 Posted 08/17/2012  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dibby33 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jings, I also did that to my dead grans wedding coin collection. I used brasso and a wire brush and after a few hours of pouring water gathered from drinking too much beer I managed to be able to read the dates....
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 Posted 08/17/2012  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ozcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Getting back on topic....
If I owned a set that had these problems I would be taking a close look at the trade practices act.
I am pretty sure that this is a problem that should be fixed by the manufacturer (ie the mint has made a faulty product and needs to fix the issue somehow).
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 Posted 08/17/2012  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
12 years on,i don't think the Mint has any obligation,the Mint does'nt guarantee any of their products that I know of & certainly not 12 years after the initial sale.
I'm not saying that Rob or whoever "has" opened the set &/or handled the coins but this "could" have happened any time in the last 12 years.
If you buy a new car & after 12 years the paint starts to peel or discolour can you take it back to the dealer you bought it from & get a new one to replace it ? ,even if you did'nt use the car in that 12 years the dealer is'nt going to give you a replacement.
It's very unfortunate that this has happened but even if the Mint did admit it was their fault,how do they replace it ? start restriking sets 12 years on,i'd doubt it.
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 Posted 08/17/2012  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ozcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Appleangel07,
You are comparing apples with oranges :)
What is a reasonable expectation for paint on a daily driver to remain "good"?
What is a reasonable expectation for paint on a bugatti veyron that is kept in a sealed environmentally controlled house to remain "good"?
What is a reasonable expectation for a 1980 proof set to remain "good"?
What is a reasonable expectation for a 2004 proof set to remain "good"?
I would be interested to know what you think is fair for each of those examples.
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08/17/2012 7:46 pm
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 Posted 08/17/2012  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
more than 12 years, Obviously LOL.
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 Posted 08/17/2012  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ozcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They were serious questions and are getting at "Is the 2004 proof set faulty or not?"

I will give you my own answers.

1. I think paint on a car should not "just peel and fall off" ever. If it ever did that, without there being some type of abuse, it would be faulty. However, proving it was faulty, and not due to something the owner did could be impossible. Likewise, if it faded badly after only 2 years I think it would be faulty Again proving it might be difficult.
I have a car which is close to 10 years old. It has been reasonably looked after, and the paint is still in ok condition (appart from scrapes/dings etc). I think that is a fair expectation to have. If it had to be resprayed at 5 years old (and there was no reason such as abuse) I would not be happy.
There are some spots on the bumper where someone got some type of auto paint on our car when it was still quite new. That has eaten into the paint. If the original paint peeled as a result of that, I would not blame the manufacturer as it was not due to a manufacturers fault.
2. Paint on a million dollar car which is carefully stored also should never just "peel and fall off". In that case it should be much easier to prove that it is a manufacturing fault, and I would expect the manufacturer to repair it.
3. There are plenty of 1980 proof sets that are still perfect (32 years on)
so
4. I would expect a 2004 proof set to still be perfect (at 8 years old)

Proof sets are designed and expected to be perfect for a long time.

My understanding of consumer protection laws is that it is not so much about "has it lasted the 12 month warranty" and more about "has the customer got what they paid for".
eg from Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) website at
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http://www.accc.gov.au/content/item...+refunds.pdf
---
How long do consumers' statutory
rights apply?
Statutory rights are not limited to a set time
period. Instead, they apply for the amount of time
that is reasonable to expect, given the cost and
quality of the item.
This means a consumer may be entitled to a
remedy under their statutory rights after any
manufacturer's voluntary or extended warranty has
expired.
For example, it is reasonable to expect that an
expensive television should not develop a serious
fault after 13 months of normal use. In this case,
the consumer could argue the item was not of
merchantable quality and ask for it to be repaired,
even if the manufacturer's voluntary warranty had
expired.
---

The same publication covers "remedies" to fix problems as well.
I agree that stamping more 2004 proof sets is not likely to happen (and I actually would not like to see it happen).
However there are other possiblities.
eg. refund of money, credit towards other products, replacing with a different agreeable product.
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 Posted 08/17/2012  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MobOfRoos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
the mint has made a faulty product and needs to fix the issue somehow.


I get the feeling that this would open a can of worms. Would this mean that all mint sets 1969 - 1983 with the PVC would also be open to compensation?

I think the Mint would claim that while all care is taken in manufacturing their products they don't provide a lifetime guarantee.
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