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1962 Penny...filling In Front Of Queen

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Don't know how common this is but just wanted to share this with you.

1962-Penny...filling-In-Front-Of-Queen

1962-Penny...filling-In-Front-Of-Queen

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 Posted 08/16/2012  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like the Letter E in front of her mouth!
Tear drop in her eye!
Nice looking coin!
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 Posted 08/16/2012  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennysaver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Filling can be common enough under the jaw, but with the extra around the other parts of the face your coin has more than most -- very sweet! And is the rim a bit wider on the left than the right? That pretty penny would find a home in my collection for sure!
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Quite common, especially for the obverse of 1962. Overpolishing of the die, towards the end of its useful life, likely caused this. The edges of the devices, which are incuse relative to the fields, probably get rounded off a bit. When the coins is struck, these abraded edges allow metal to flow along the edges of the devices and shallow areas close to the fields that were buffed a bit too much. This is common from small cents of the early 1940s right through to the late 1980s. You also see this on some 1942 tombac 5c coins. What is really cool, is finding coins whereby both the reverse and obverse dies are like this, 1977 is a year that one can find that phenomena on both sides, fairly easy. Here is my example, both the obverse and reverse with overpolished and abraded dies. Note that this is not a weak strike, the deepest part of the dies (i.e., highest parts of the devices), are fully struck.


1962-Penny...filling-In-Front-Of-Queen


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Nice one, SPP -- that pretty penny would find a home in my collection too! A question for you though -- is that what causes the 1980 "fat 0"/large date in the 1980 nickel as well? Or is the different 0 size caused by something else? Seems I've heard it said both ways.
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Your example looks like an earlier phase of wear, than mine. Here is my 1962, with the die abraded down so much that the metal flows everywhere around the devices, not just as thin bands. The Queen's ribbon and a lock of hair is detached from the head, and her nose is also detached from the face. Yet, the coin is fully struck, as you can see the high points on the leaf on the reverse.

Pennysaver, if you want one like mine, drop me a note, I have over half a roll of them in BU grade, and I will give you one, if you pay for the postage.


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Nice coin SPP...By the way, nice NEW avatar.
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Thanks, SPP! Note has been sent!

I notice that your 2nd penny looks like it has a combination of beads and denticles on the obverse - a very cool effect. I've got a couple of nickels with that same situation on them, so now I see I'd best check them over for other evidence of worn dies. Die Deterioration has always been a fascination for me ever since I was a kid, and as an adult I find myself looking more and more for straight sets of coins showing progressive die wear. It may take me a lifetime to get most of them, but it keeps me off the streets... lol
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Most of the dollar varieties, like the short water lines, no water line, detached jewel, etc., are senso stricto just various stages of Die Deterioration. Have you found a nice 1942 tombac with Die Deterioration? Those are quite common.
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Thanks Wert. It is the reverse of a Trade dollar, from Sherwood Park, Alberta. I called Sherwood Park home for 7 years, and rekindled my collecting interests while living there. I was on ebay and at Alberta coin shows as "Sherwood Park Pennies". When I moved to Ottawa, I thought about changing my ebay handle to "Nepean Nickel Dollars" or "Capital Coins", but my collecting friends and dealers convinced me that my grading skills and reputation were built on a name - so I kept it. I only recently found this Trade dollar, and thought, since I kept my ebay handle, and essentially my "dealer name" after I moved to Ottawa, that this would be a really cool logo for me.... (blame Wert for hijacking the thread! )
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Yes, I do have a nice progression of the 1942 tombacs SPP. Getting a few nickels produced by the semi-worn dies was easy enough, but getting the end-run ones was a little tougher. Another of my favourite sets is the 1990 nickels -- the fur behind the jaw and under the belly slowly being replaced by horizontal lines till there is only about half of the fur left. It's not produced by polishing, as the rest of the details of the beaver remain sharp, but the progression/deterioration of the die is obvious and fairly consistent. Maybe I should start another thread and post a few pics, and then someone out there might be able to tell me just what's going on with that set.

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A nice coin although as SPP said it is prettycommon l have a bunch of them on several years. But still a very nice piece to add to your collection
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Thank you all for your replies. Some good information about these coins.
By the way DarrylDarryl I'll try and get a good picture of that "E" if I can. Thanks for pointing it out.

Thanks again to all.
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change4thebetter! Those are some impressively worn dies! Sorry to further hijack this thread, but why do the tombac nickels commonly have Die Deterioration and die cracks? (My avatar coin has a few die cracks and also seems to have been struck on a die with deterioration) Is it a side effect of using tombac instead of nickel? I wouldn't think so since tombac is a brass alloy which (I believe) is softer than regular nickel.
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I am not a 5-cent collector, but I think it has to do with the dies. The RCM started chrome-plating the 5-cent dies in 1943, to extend their die life. So, you will find Die Deterioration easily on the 1942 Tombac, but in 1943, finding coins struck with dies where the chrome plating had chipped/peeled off is more common (i.e., mortar set error).
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Thanks all for the replies.
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