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Fake Rotated Die Halves, Is It Worth The Effort?

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I hope I am posting this in the right forum.

I have read some posts here about Kennedy halves that have a fake rotated die error using a technique used to make'Magician coins'and I would like to know is it worth the trouble to fake a rotated die error?

For example; If a 1971 Kennedy half has an original rotated die error.... what will be its value?

and another question please; What is the value of the fake (Magician coin)Kennedy half, knowing it is a fake coin?

Thank you for educating me?
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08/19/2012 6:07 pm
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 Posted 08/19/2012  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ikandiggit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Magician coins are manufactured as tricks. Some have the tails or the heads on both sides. Some are made from two different coins. It all depends on the trick it's made for.

The "value", meaning the price of the coin varies but most are in the $10- $20 range. The only thing numismatic about them is that they are made of coins. As a numismatic collectible they would be considered novelties.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ikandiggit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I should also add that the techniques used to create magician coins have been used to fake rare coins ie. 1959 wheats.
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Quote:
the techniques used to create magician coins have been used to fake rare coins ie. 1959 wheats.


This is what I meant by my questions ...... is the fake 1971 Kennedy half with a rotated die error worth the effort?

What is the value of a real rotated die error in a 1971 Half?

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 Posted 08/19/2012  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Really not worth the effort.
Even if a genuine 180 degree rotation the premium
would not be enough. Not saying that some would buy a coin like that but I would not see a large market/profit for it.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zimmy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not sure how much it costs to make a fake rotated die, probably $1.00 in materials and the person's time and equipment. I feel a real 180% rotated die error half would be worth a significant amount, my guess $100+ maybe more, although 180% rotated half errors come up rather infrequently for sale. According to my reference material, there are about 8-9 known dates of rotated Kennedys in the 180% rotated range.
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I doubt a rotated die error would be worth anywhere near that much. They are not common but they're also not that popular. And anybody who would be interested would know how to detect a fake, so it wouldn't be worth the effort since you won't fool anybody.
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 Posted 08/20/2012  05:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EgCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much guys for your replies
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Rotated die errors on most type coins no matter if their 180 degrees or not are very common and command little premiums, however rotated die errors on modern coinage, especially anything 90 degrees or more are quite scarce and do command significant premiuns. Look at the prices realized for modern 90+ rotations on ebay as recorded in past issues of Mint Error News magazine for proof. I would pay $100. for any modern issue larger than a quarter (including Halves, Presidential dollars and SAC's) thats around 180 degrees rotated and so have other people.
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Thanks Zimmy
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