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....have always had a fascination for me. Oddly enough, I've never owned one. Until now. The coin below is ~42mm, and the thickest planchet I've ever seen. I wonder if someone here might enlighten me as to its' story?   |
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Canada
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It is a beauty isn't it? Imperial Russia, 1764, Catherine II, 5 kopeck. At just over 51g you would not want to carry too many of these around in your pocket! MM represents - I believe - the Moscow mint. I'm lucky enough to have a copper 3 kopeck from 1841, Nicholas I, which is also impressive in its size and weight! This link will provide more information:- http://www.russiannumismaticsociety...earn5kop.htmEdited by aiglet7
08/24/2012 7:30 pm
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Australia
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You might have a slightly tougher year ssuperdave. This may be overstruck over a 1762 10 kopek coin.
I think I still hold one of the heavier record for a 5 kopek, which stands at 76.4g. There are novodel (restrike) coins that weigh more than 100g but for a circulated coin, it's heavy.
My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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Canada
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gxseries - as I've mentioned before I am always learning from your posts. How do you recognize that this coin is a possible 'overstrike' of an earlier 10 kopeck?
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It weighs 79.75g.  |
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Australia
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Really ssuperdave? You might have a new record. I'm sure it's worth more than what you bought it for. Let me know when you let it go. Aiglet7 - A fair number of coins struck during 1763-1767 were overstruck as well as some of the latter years. Best way to tell is to keep looking at the coins and you will slowly get it. Anything that is supposed to be in a plain field should remain as plain unless if it is overstruck, something shows up as an underlayer. Let's take this coin as a good example even though it's not a 10 kopek. 1762 4 kopek  Following year  I'm sure you don't need to tell me where it is? Overstruck coins are mostly common and wouldn't command too much more of a prenium unless it's overstruck over a rarer coin, for example 1730-35 denga overstruck over 1724 kopek or a more unusual overstrike such as 1795 MM coins. |
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United Kingdom
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Nearly 80g seems bit to much  It should be around 51g. MM= Kasnyi Mint  Edit:Sorry I've missed restike part  Edited by valdiman
08/26/2012 03:54 am
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United States
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wow, this is something I'd love to get, they seem cool!
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United States
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Super awesome Dave!
swcoin.ecrater.com
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United States
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Beautiful coin, Dave! It is a Krause C#59.6 for those who like to catalog coins. Gxseries: According to Krause (and acknowledging that there are a lot of errors and omissions on the Numismaster site), there were no 10 kopek coins minted in 1764 or 1762. The only other denomination that I am seeing is the 15 kopek which was produced in silver. I have owned a fair amount of these over the years and have found that the weights are all over the map. There were contemporary copies made in Sweden with the letters E M. Quote:
Quoted from Numismaster: Swedish issue. During the war between Russia and Sweden in 1788, the Swedish government began to strike copies of the current 5 kopek piece using a Royal instead of Imperial crown design. Several dates are known. A common way to distinguish the Swedish forgery from the original is to note that "kopek" is spelled with a "b" as a last letter rather than Ъ as found on the genuine issue. Another sign is the 7's in the date which are straight on the Swedish piece and curved on the Russian originals. Personally, I find these coins to be one of the most interesting issues and especially beautiful when found in a condition like Dave's.  |
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Australia
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Susan, I'm 100% certain I know what I am talking about. The coin that I am referring to is this:  A lot of Elizabeth coins were overstruck in 1762 to double the denomination as the price of copper doubled. But that was short lived and Peter III coins were again overstruck to the new Catherine II design to get rid of the old design. Peter III copper coins are now rather difficult to find. This here is a good example  You can see the star above the crown. This only appears on the 1762 10 kopek coin. The Swedish counterfeit coin is a real rarity in current numismatics - commands over thousands of dollar easily. There's a couple of scarce overstrikes that I can illustrate if you like. My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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United States
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There's a couple of scarce overstrikes that I can illustrate if you like. Please do. I'm utterly fascinated by all this.  |
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United States
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As am I. I was not aware of these coins and I'm glad that I posted to this topic. I'm looking forward to seeing more of these.  |
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Philippines
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that copper huge coin is fantastic! It changed my collection thread two of those is what started me on my collection thread for very large copper coins. I now have close to a dozen but still havent found any copper coin even near that giant size, closest I got is 34mm, others coming near it's size are medals not coins that coin opens the eyes of non-collectors and makes them believers in coin collecting, it did for me  Great coin! |
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Australia
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I just love the big old handsome 'klunkers'!
They are not all that hard to obtain, and are within easy reach, cost wise, if want one when the opportunity arises. They make an interesting addition to any collection of World coins.
I have seen some really nice brown greasy patinations on these coins.
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