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I found a perfectly graded error coin graded PF-70. So if it is perfect it can't be an error. What gives? I want errored coins and this one is perfect so it is not an error...........

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The grade is for condition and has nothing to do with any errors. But saying that, this slab is from SGS who is a very unreliable grading company. Never buy an SGS slab for the info on the label.
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The problem is that its graded by SGS. SGS is famous for just grading everything a 70. I dont think they even print labels that dont say 70 on it. Id doubt even 5% of their 70 graded coins are actual 70s if any of them are at all.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

For future reference PCGS and NGC are the two biggest most respected grading companies followed by ANACS and ICG. Stick with one of those 4 basically in that order and consider anything else to just be a raw coin in a slab
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That quarter does seem to have a die crack extending from the E in QUARTER through the neck.
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That crack looks like its on the slab, and yes SGS is an extremely unreliably TPG
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A True Rarity would be an SGS graded coin that did not have
an MS70 Label on it
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That is exactly what die cracks look like on modern proofs. Although it may not be PR70, they marked it as a die crack for a reason. I would examine it further, check out these articles:

https://goccf.com/t/126133&whichpage=2
http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis...ticleId=3580
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PF-70 not a ms-70..........
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Trust me I know my die cracks....
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PF MS still not a 70. Stewarts right the truly special error would be a SGS label that doesn't have a 70
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Trust me I know my die cracks....


You suggested that this was not an error because SGS graded it as a PR70. I was unaware that you even looked at the coin; if you had you would notice the massive die crack. Forgive me for trying to help out.
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Nice die crack
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That comment rubbed me the wrong way as well. He may know his errors but certainly not his TPGs
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Is the whole coin silver or just the die crack? Here is an accurately (or perhaps a little harshly) graded proof silver quarter that PCGS failed to recognize as an error. They insisted that this coin is as the mint intended it to be.

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While SGS may have a problem grading any modern anything less than 70 (even errors), PCGS seems to think that modern errors don't exist, even when the words STATES OF are crossed out by one.

Maybe if we get the two companies together we can get accurately graded and properly attributed modern errors.
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Wait till CAC decide to grade modern error. I wonder what kind of color bean they will stick it on the face of the slab?
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clairhardesty, I don't believe that is a die crack that you have on your coin. I am not 100% sure what you would call that but definitely doesn't look like a die crack to me
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