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Here's the side by side pictures, left initial and right after 24 hours.

CONCLUSION: If anything, the after picture looks less pink. In this case the acetone appears to have slightly altered the color to a more natural "minty fresh" look.

I have to admit that I'm surprized by the outcome. I'm going to ponder the science behind what might have happened chemically before I comment further.


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Here's the next test coin, a lightly circulated wheat I pulled from searching. It has nice, dry surfaces so nothing should interfere. Same conditions as the 2012 test.

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Thad, Carl, I would like to interrupt to offer something that may be worth thinking about . . . ?


When I went to summer camp as a kid, I got to do all kinds of fun sciencey experiments to earn some of my Girl Scout badges (this is how I know you can make ice cream in a coffee can and an alarm clock out of a potato). One of those experiments had to do with cleaning the "dirt" off pennies (you can see where this is going . . . . ).

I don't remember the exact amounts, but the basic idea is vinegar + salt = magic penny cleaner! You can literally clean pennies by the handful. Here's the kicker: if you didn't rinse your pennies promptly in distilled water, or used the wrong ratio of salt to vinegar . . .

. . . they turned pink.


I have a few junk coppers I'm saving (I turned into a hoarder, shh) that I'd be happy to demonstrate with, if you guys don't want to ditz around with it. I'm just wondering if there's the possibility that someone's old, salt-cleaned pennies, rinsed with distilled water, reacted when put in acetone (or perhaps that people who are selling "acetone dipped" pennies are actually using this method)? I saw the same experiment done completely independently two times at my elementary school's science fair, so I don't think it's exactly uncommon. A 2012, a 1958, a 1909 VDB . . . they're all the same to a kid.
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It would be great to find the "best" way to clean dirty pennies, discolored pennies, or pennies with gunk on them through this experiment. That would be pre-82 and post-82. I have never heard of your cleaning method ninamason... I might try it.
Do you happen to have any before/after pics you've done?

Thanks!
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Wrestling, bad idea. This actually strips off the top layer of the penny, I think--they turn all bright and shiny, as opposed to acetone which just eats the junk off the coin. I do remember some turning black, also, and suspect (although I have no way to know at this late date) that they were damaged Zincolns.

I don't, and my camera is missing somewhere in my room--gotta find it. Bet Google would provide the recipe if you want to try on some junk coppers, though.
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When I went to summer camp as a kid, I got to do all kinds of fun sciencey experiments to earn some of my Girl Scout I don't remember the exact amounts, but the basic idea is vinegar + salt = magic penny cleaner! You can literally clean pennies by the handful. Here's the kicker: if you didn't rinse your pennies promptly in distilled water, or used the wrong ratio of salt to vinegar . . .

If your read a lot of the posts on this forum about cleaning coins, you would have seen more than a zillion time, slight exageration, DO NOT CLEAN COINS.
Not intending to bore you but in most instances the STUFF on coins is in many times from a chemical reaction with something in the air and the metal of the coins. Removing that STUFF, removes part of the metal of the coins.
For example with Copper, and not just coins but Copper pipes too, as they get exposed to moist air a thin layer of Cuprus Oxide {Cu2)} forms. As such coins are exposed to more moist air and there is Carbon DiOxide present, more reactions occur to form Copper Carbonate [CuCO3-Cu{OH}2]. People living in areas where SO is present in the air from Fossil fired furnaces, power stations and steel mills, this further reacts with Copper.
All in all, the removal of all such STUFF on the surface of your coins takes away some of the metal.
Vinegar contains an acid. Salts are abbrasive. Worse yet is your common table salt, NaCl, is not exactly pure and can and usually does contain all sorts of STUFF. Some of which may do more damage than good.
DO NOT CLEAN COINS.
Thad: So many things can effect what your doing. Possibly even your breath on a coin or near a coin may create effects in this experiment. Dust in the air, moisture in the air, stuff on a coin itself from the packaging too may effect these types of experiments. To do it properly you would sort of need a perfectly clean coin, clean container, vaccum area, etc.
AND don't forget if in the Sun, use the correct Sun.
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If anything, the after picture looks less pink.
I looked at the photo before reading your text and that was the first thing I noticed. My quick conclusion was it was after-before, but then I read what you wrote. An interesting outcome.


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I'm going to ponder the science behind what might have happened chemically before I comment further.
My guess is that there was just enough of an organic substance on the cent to affect the colour. The acetone did its job. Treat this cent again. If it changes more, then we might have a problem.
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CONCLUSION: If anything, the after picture looks less pink. In this case the acetone appears to have slightly altered the color to a more natural "minty fresh" look.


So when the 1934 D LWC I stoled on ebay from the guy that claims the pink color indicates an acetone bath, Finally arrives, I should give it an acetone bath..
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It definitely changed the zincoln. I've used acetone on Indian cents and they never change. I have no idea if it would change silver or nickel.
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I'm new here, but used to collect back in the early 80's. I've been experimenting with acetone to remove circulation crud. My experience is it has been safe but don't know if I'd recommend it on copper.

I just q-tip rubbed a bucket Indian Head cent that was pitted and corroded with acetone as a test, and her cheek now looks like she has pink chickenpox. The acetone removed the corrosion but only in certain spots. I have however use it with apparently harmless results. I think with copper, it's a gamble, and depends on the coin and what's on it.

P.S. - I have discovered however, that there are coin like tubes that are made of *Nalgene* plastic which are surprisingly safe for acetone, and are soft, unlike hard glass. Got them at a camping supply store. Acetone will melt almost any other plastic, even yellow lighter fluid plastic containers. I may even be putting a protective layer of plastic on my coins that may prove to be the best holders ever discovered!
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putting a protective layer of plastic on my coins


Willoughby,

Firstly, a big from all of us here at CCF.

When you get a chance please include a photo of what you are proposing to do above. I am just a bit unclear of the desired end result.

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I just used acetone on approx 200 copper Canadian pennies that I found CRH from the 30-40's and were caked with gunk. I would put about 20 in a jar of acetone and they would sit in it while I cleaned them 1 by 1 with a qtip and then did a quick rinse with acetone after. So they sat there for 15 min maximum. I didn't get all the gunk off but there was NO distortion of the coins color at all. I was pleased with the outcome and will continue to use it on copper.
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Thanks coin chick... I was debating doing this for some heavily crudded Wheaties... no real value or rare or anything, but it would be nice to get some of the green marks and crud off them.
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Carl, if you read my whole post, I wasn't advocating doing it. I did this as an experiment when I was a wee thing (like nine years old) and wondered if this might affect later acetone dips.
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Wheat cent after 24 hours:



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