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Take a look at the coin In this auction. Are my eyes playing tricks on me, someone pull the ole switcharoo or did PCGS blow this one?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-VDB-PC...em53eed6f3e5
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 Posted 09/19/2012  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Islander2010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Either way, it reinforces the adage that you should ALWAYS buy the coin, not the holder...
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 Posted 09/19/2012  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those are really crappy pictures
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 Posted 09/19/2012  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaymon74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, crappy pictures.
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 Posted 09/19/2012  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canadian-Banknotes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Even if those are bad photos, the coin does not look very attractive.
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 Posted 09/19/2012  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Undoubtedly unattractive, but it's simply not possible to hazard a grade guess based on those ludicrous images. For all we know, the coin's a 66 that has been downgraded for "ugly."
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 Posted 09/19/2012  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually I can see quite clearly that that coin is not even an MS. The pics are not so bad as to not be able to see that. As much as I detest PCGS, I dont for a minute think that is the coin that was graded.
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 Posted 09/19/2012  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you notice the radiating white fog coming from around the holder ring. Could this slab have been under water and the coin subsequently corroded?
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I was just going to suggest, a damaged slab causing accelerated environmental damage. Too bad :-(
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 Posted 09/19/2012  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The photos are indeed not capable of judging for ourselves the grade of this coin ... and I tend as well to suspect the coin surfaces have 'turned bad' somehow in the holder.

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 Posted 09/19/2012  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add derrick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS does make mistakes - I once sent them two type 2 1979 proof quarters, and had them slab one as type 2 and one as type 1. Just as an experiment to see if they knew what they did wrong, I cut the wrongly certified one out and sent it again and that time they got it right and called it type 2.

But this example looks pretty extreme. Bad pictures can hide a lot, but this coin is quite circulated! Look at the dirt around the lettering if you don't believe the worn down device.
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I am not sure what the "fogging" around the coin is but I think might have something to do with the manufacturing of the ring that holds the coin or the slabbing process. I have a coin slabbed by PCGS that has "fogging" similar to that I know for sure was not the result of improper storage because it was already like that when I received the coin back from PCGS. I can't say if the coin in ebay listing is overgraded since it could look very different in hand but the pictures are certainly not doing the coin any favors.
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 Posted 09/20/2012  12:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Night Hawk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a coin you'd find in a junk bin.
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I think there might have been some contaminant on the coin when it was put in the holder, leading to the corrosion and the fogging of the holder.
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 Posted 09/20/2012  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mach1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, ugly coin for sure. Not a MS64, IMO.
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ugly and not appealing. Like I've mentioned, buy the coin not the holder, don't drink the PCGS Kool aid.
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