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I acquired a lot of coins which included this 1776 8 Reales. Here's what I know: Diameter: 39.05 mm Weight: 26.3 grams NO design on the edge (as if it was removed, and thus the weight is under what it should be.) I have NO (not a single) correct and real 1776 Santiago 8 Reales scans to compare this coin to. I do know that Santiago design and letter positioning differed from other mints (like Mexico). Thank you for your help   |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Hmmm, I wonder what what the pros will say. Haven't see a coin such as this myself.
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France
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Clean field, damaged high points, details not well defined, strange patina, bad edge ... this cries fake to me.
Oh, that kind of coin, if genuine, is worth over 2000 USD ...
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In my humble opinion, the coin is a fake. The only known 1776 Santiago 8 Reales are 1776/5 overdates and are extremely rare. Your coin is not the overdate. The coin should have the traditional colonial edge, it should not be blank or smooth. If you could post a picture or two of the edge, that would be nice so we can see what it looks like. Does it look like it was removed or like it was never there? Weight is wrong and if enough metal were ground off the edge as you suggest to account for the light weight, the coin would not be full size at 39.05mm. When I enlarge your photo and look at the texture of the obverse, the surfaces of the raised designs all look odd, mushy and porous, not sharply struck and then worn down like the overall condition would suggest.
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New Member
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Good example of a modern Chinese fake made from a high end cast transfer die process. Note the rough surfaces on the flat planes of the lettering as the coin was pulled away from the casting die. Could be from the photo but I notice a yellow tinge so I suspect its brass with some silver added (remember the other two alloys I reported being Fe/Ni and German Silver). Diagnostic plain edge with file markings with sharp edges. Note also on the obverse from K-9 to K-12 where we see some metal fall-out along the rim edges. See if its magnetic? Some Fe/Ni types are magnetic. Notice on the "6" the raised dot along the left side even with top of the inner loop of "6". Not sure what Bob Gurney is calling these pieces of a recent manufacture: Class 3 or 4 in the upcoming ANS CC8R book due out late 2013/2014.
John Lorenzo
United States
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France
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Crown, some letters, and hairs all don't look well defined, IMHO.
Regarding the field, when I said too clean, it was in comparison with the letters and high points.
For example, to have such missing details in the hairs, this would mean the coin was worn out a bit ... but the field behind / over them looks very clean.
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Canada
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Interesting. Now I know what to look for in a fake.
Thanks!
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New Member
United States
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I would like to thank everyone for their comments and insight. I agree, the coin is not kosher.
Hopefully, everyone learned something new. I might move the scans to different location, but if anyone needs them, please e-mail me.
Vlad
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Hi srh11293
You have the answer - Modern fake struck in collar. Probably China.
I made copies of the files and if you do not mind I will add the date to my modern fakes list.
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