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In many cases an overdate can't be seen either because the die is in a late state, or because of the condition of the coin. So it's a valid overdate ... Moved by Forum Mom from Classic US coins to Classic US Variety & Error Coins forum.
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A good example is the 1860/1 Half Dime debate...some call it an overdate...some call it normal. |
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That's a whole 'nother thing. Guess overdates fall into three categories- die reuse, die maker error and die repair. I'd say recuts don't count unless a portion of the old number extends beyond the new number.
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Some, Moe, are VERY obvious...like yours! AWESOME HALF!  Edited by oih82w8
09/21/2012 4:23 pm
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Hi Moe
Say you have an 1824 cent that by the reverse attributes is positively without question an N-5. N-5 is known to be an 1824/2. If you can't see the extra 2 on the obverse, it's still an N-5. Are you saying that you wouldn't consider it to be an overdate?
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Interesting question. I specialize in overdates--but mostly on European coins. On US coins, the specific die pair for the overdate must match all the diagnostics--not just the date area like that spectacular 1818/7 half.  There's a few US overdates that are very subtle, such as the 1858/7 FE Snow-1, that I would not 'discover' without knowing the diagnostics such as the broken wing tip and the MPD between the date and the eagle. 1858/7 Snow-1  Edited by DVCollector
09/21/2012 5:04 pm
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Wow, I thought the 1844/81 was subtle.
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Hi Moe
Say you have an 1824 cent that by the reverse attributes is positively without question an N-5. N-5 is known to be an 1824/2. If you can't see the extra 2 on the obverse, it's still an N-5. Are you saying that you wouldn't consider it to be an overdate? Actually I was just blowing smoke!!  While I (and I think most numismatists) definitely prefer an "easy to see" overdate, of course there are different visible degrees to many overdate examples. (and I just wanted to show off a really visible 1818/7 overdate!!)     I would, indeed, say that an N-5 1824 LC is an overdate if the known attributes for the die marriage exist, whether you can actually see the overdate evidence or not. It's the same if a coin is worn and the overdate is no longer visble, but the other known attributes can be seen enough to match up for one. It's still an overdate. Edited by Moe145
09/21/2012 7:14 pm
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I just picked up one like this less than a week ago! Yes, you did!! Nice pickup! Sweeeeet CBH! (FYI: My CBH is the 1818/7 overdate with the large first 8 (Overton 101, R1) and yours is the 1818/7 overdate with the small first 8 (I believe Overton 102, R2))  Edited: Matthew, I just re-read your post and you had already attributed your CBH!!  Edited by Moe145
09/21/2012 7:13 pm
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Riddle me this, how many can see an RPD/overdate on a silver trime with the naked eye? In fact, I posted pics of my 1862 three-center last year and it wasn't until many weeks later I realized it was the 1862/1. https://goccf.com/t/90661After looking at my OP not so sure. Edited by Drsandman2
09/21/2012 11:11 pm
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IMO it has to be visible to make it worth while collecting as an overdate. Whether thats with a loupe or the naked eye I dont really care, as long as its there.
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DV- then there is the 1888/7 IHC. Havnt seen on in hand yet, still looking. |
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What it IS is a fact. What it is WORTH is an opinion.
Trees falling in the forest and all that....
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DV- then there is the 1888/7 IHC  DrSandman2--that's a pretty subtle one too, but if I didn't know the markers--I might spot something there. But so far--no luck finding one either--there's only ~ 23 known. Less subtle than the FE 1858/7 Snow-1  |
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