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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Why are the production numbers so low as compared to it's 2000 release? Seems less are being minted for each year that goes by. Even the Ike's and SBA's had high production numbers? Is the Golden Dollar here to stay? I have heard rumours of its discontinuation but then I remembered a law that says a coin must be minted for 25 years? David
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Rest in Peace
United States
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nds76, No one is really sure what's going on with the Sackie. The law you spoke of has been changed before, no big deal. What it really says is that the design cannot be changed more often that once every 25 years. catman 
Edited by catman 06/02/2005 5:28 pm
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United States
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Hi David, I can only answer parts of your question. Mint had high hopes that Sacs would actually circulate, and they haven't. Here to stay- my guess is not. The current plan is to continue minting them along with the new presidential series-if bill in Sentate passes in same version as house (I think-ND would know for sure). I think the law is the coinage act of 1890- which I think requires 25 years to pass prior to a new coin design, but does not state that coinage cannot be discontinued. And congress can pass a law anytime they want which superseeds that act- they did so in replacing the Franklin half with the Kennedy half after the former had only been produced for 15 years-so it only prevents the mint from doing so unless directed otherwise by congress. I'm no lawyer, but that is my layman's understanding. Don
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 United States
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This is all very interesting. The dollar coins put out by the United States will always fail in my opinion unless the dollar note is eliminated. Maybe these would be more widely used if the dollar note was discontinued when the sackie was released. I'm don't know if its too late do do something like that now.
David
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Australia
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With the commerative nickels and quarters and soon dollar programs,..... WHY keep the law that requires 25 years for a new coin design? The only serious design change would be in the size of the coin, that would affect it's use in vending machines and toll booths etc.
Can anyone give a little history lesson on why they brought this law in, in the first place.?
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United States
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Hi toast, quick answer is I don't know. Morgan Fred likely knows the history cold. I do know that US coinage went through a great deal of change from 1868-1890. Weights of silver coinage changed, silver was essentially demonetized and replaced with gold, then bimetallism took hold, and also in 1890 western mining interests "won" and got congress to ensure that the mint purchased silver on a monthly basis. Basically, westerners and southerners wanted a silver system, northeastern banking and monetary players a gold system. Twenty Cent Pieces were introduced and disappeared, 2 and 3 cent coins were discontinued, Half Dimes disappeared. Don
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United States
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There is NO law concerning how long a coin must be minted. Once the law to mint a coin is written it is minted until a new law stopping mintage is written. The Sac dollar is still in production because there is NO official willing to write a bill to remove it. The Fed reserve has $200 million dollar coins sitting in vaults waiting for commerce to need them. The Sac may see a release in 2006 with the new Presidential dollar. However, all dollar coins sitting in vaults will be released as banks order them. That basically means that in late 2006 or early 2007 you will find Presidential dollars, Sac dollars, SBA dollars all mixed together in circulated rolls. As much as representative Mike Castle swears this won't happen again, mark your calendar and remember that I said it first!
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United States
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Didn't the Kennedy half dollar break the mold? Frankies were in the middle of their run, Kennedy gets shot, and then legislators feel they have to come out with a coin just like after when FDR died. But this will be all for not as long as dollar bills continue to circulate.
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United States
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I thought I heard someone say that Sackies probably wont be minted after 2007....I dont know if there is any truth to it, just something I read on one of these forums
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Current legislation for the Presidential dollars call for the continued striking of the Sacagawea dollar as well. Have any of you given any thought to what a mint set or proof set is going to cost when they stick those "UNWANTED" dead Presidential dollars in them? Your looking at 4 per year in both sets so I think we will be looking at a $5 to $8 increase in both sets! Personally I think this will cost the Mint BIG TIME as most collectors DO NOT want this series and the Spouse's in gold, WHO CARES? That set of gold will probably be worth a fortune some day as I don't see but a few hundred sets ever being put together! One thing is for certain, I won't own one!
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United States
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crystalk64
What do you think the mint set are going up to. They have two of everything.
catman
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United Kingdom
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I've said this time and time again, but once more for the books;
The only way to introduce a dollar coin is as follows;
1) Introduce a coin and stick with it. (If you keep changing sizes, alloys, designs... you're just going to confuse people).
2) People will stick with what they know, so you must educate them with a period of grace, $1 coin and $1 bill circulate concurrently for say 6 months.
3) Only way to make the coin successful is to remove the alternative. Six months after introduction of coin cease issuing bills, a few months later announce that the bills are to be demonetised. This makes people worried that they're gonna get stuck with them and they therefore turn them in by the hundreds in order to get the coin which will still be worth $1.
4) Demonetise the bills and give a period of grace to allow them to be removed.
Problem solved and you're on the coin. This is what Canada, the UK and several other countries have done, most people can't even remember the notes now, nor would they want them back. Notes of such low denominations are not liked, even in the UK I think many would welcome a £5 coin (decent size permitting) because £5 notes often turn up in horrible condition, and because bank machines no longer give them out for withdrawals it means that they're often a shortage of £5 notes in shops!
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Valued Member
United States
458 Posts |
The answer is simple, stop producing the $1 paper bill--BUT, if that happened I doubt the SAC would flourish, I would start using the $2 paper bill---  What the heck, what can you buy for a buck anyways?/ You can't even buy 1 gallon of gas with a single greenback  You would need at least $2+ HAHAHA 
Edited by CiScO 06/03/2005 3:55 pm
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And, if gas remains under the $2 mark, they will have to make more Lincoln cents to give change? Can't win for losing can we?
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
188 Posts |
You should see how much we pay for gasoline!
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Rest in Peace
United States
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CiSco, I'm with you. Do the one and two dollar coin and be done with it! Mike 
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