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ID Of The Emblems Or Figures Of An Old Colombia 8R

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I am looking for the meaning of both sides of this Colombia 8R. Can anyone tell me who the portrait is and what the flower is on the other side? Thank you very much.



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Obv.: the head of an Indian Woman, crowned with feathers Rev.: a pomegranate

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Proclamation of Gran Colombia led to a third type of india coinage, dated 1820, with REPUBLICA DE COLOMBIA replacing LIBERTAD AMERICANA and CUNDINAMARCA replacing NUEVA GRANADA. On discreet orders from Gen. Santander this type was issued between 1823 and 1826 with the frozen date 1821, because the Congress of CĂșcuta had legally set the fineness of all silver coined after 1821 at the old Spanish standard of 903 fine, while these coins were only 666 fine.
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I have 2 questions on this coin, first; was this piece overstruck on a earlier piece, and second, from what I see, the coin looks like it was holed at one time and repaired.
If this was a overstrike (as was common in that time era on demonitized issues), and was holed, was it repaired before or after the current strike.
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Here is another sample from my collection :
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Afaik, those were not overstruck on previous coinage.
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On discreet orders from Gen. Santander this type was issued between 1823 and 1826 with the frozen date 1821


Thank you jfransch for your information. Can you elaborate the quoted formation above, I want to dig it more for a thoroughout understanding to this coin.

Do you think the pomegranate on the reverse side is a remembrance to the old state's name New Granada?

I don't think the 1820 piece was an overstruck specimen though it was holed.

MathieuMa, your 1821 piece is very nice, I didn't see such nice for this coin.
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Thanks wonghinghi - I got it from Mr Hudson sometime ago :)
It's weakly struck, but with minimal wear and an excellent patina.

If you can read spanish (else you'll have to use google translator - as I did) - here is the complete history behind this coin.
Thanks for the spanish chaps of Numismaticageneral.com for this : http://www.colombiaaprende.edu.co/h..._archivo.pdf

Here is a superb one of the same style : http://www.coinfactswiki.com/wiki/C..._JF_8_reales
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Do you think the pomegranate on the reverse side is a remembrance to the old state's name New Granada?

Yes. "Granada" is the Spanish word for "pomegranate". "Old Granada", of course, is the southernmost province of Spain, the last Islamic principality to surrender to the Reconquest. Old Granada is represented on the Spanish coat of arms by a pomegranate, down at the very bottom of the shield. The islands of Grenada and the Grenadines, both in the Caribbean, are also named after this Granada (though the spelling for these is derived from French, since it was the French that first annexed and named them).

And it took a long while for the "Granada" name to disappear from what is now Colombia. The official name of what is now Colombia changed several times: "Columbia" from 1819-1830 was the name for the unstable post-revolutionary republic that also included what are now Venezuela and Ecuador; it is sometimes called "Gran Colombia" in modern histories, to distinguish it. "New Granada" was the name for the piece of Colombia that is called Colombia today, from 1830 to 1858. Then it changed to the "Granadine Confederation" in 1858, then finally back to "Colombia" in 1863.

I have coins from all of these name changes; I consider them all "separate countries" in my one-from-every-country collection.
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Why you are so knowledgeable, Sap? I am still digesting your essay in another post "Tree name on a Bilivian 8S 1836" but I have to stop and thank to your generosity of sharing your knowledge. Your explanation is absolutely brilliant and useful to me.
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