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Valued Member
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Does the cootie on jaw for a 1879-S Morgan with slanted arrow feather, short nock immediately put it in the VAM category or are there other non-VAM Morgans from 1879-S slanted/short nock with the cootie? |
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Um, "cootie" is not a standard VAMming term, and gives me no idea what you're describing. Won't matter, it's a VAM either way, since all Morgans are VAM's. Images, please? That's the only way you'll ever get appropriate advice. |
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VAM 79, VAM 36 and Vam1F1/ F2 are the only die pairings using that obverse die according to VAMworld. There is no mention of a VNA for this obverse die.
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Cootie is the term used for the attribute according to Vamworld. This is what I mean: http://www.vamworld.com/1879-S+VAM-1FI am in the very beginning stages of trying to correctly identify the few Morgans that I have according to the database offered by Vamworld. Morgan collecting is something that I just started. I did not post an image at this time because I was going to do so after I identified each of the Morgans I have. After I did, I was going to post them here to see if I was correct, or ask help if I was unsure. The question I have for this particular 1879-S Morgan is if this "cootie" as identified by Vamworld is particular to the VAM1F, VAM1F-1 and VAM1F-2 varities or can be found in other Morgans of the same year? If there is a better online source for VAMS besides Vamworld, I would be grateful if you could point me in the right direction. Thanks. (edit: thanks dave700x, that is the answer I was looking for). Edited by sjh241
10/05/2012 5:11 pm
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Ha! I stand corrected. Thank you, sjh241. A cootie it is.  If you're describing the exact shape of the thread strikethrough noted for 1F, then dave700x (as usual) is correct. For a date offering some pretty difficult attributions, you have a relatively easy one. |
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 I take it yours is a 36 or 79? |
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Well I decided to further educate myself and read-up on the VAM's 1F, 1F-1, 1F-2, 36 & 79 to help me identify what I have. I ran a check of several attributes/markers that are reported for this 'cootie" variety. I'm having a hard time identifying a yes/no for some of them due to my inexperience, and apparently underpowered x10 loop. This is where I am at the moment: cootie? Yes S mintmark position: Not sure if centered or tilted left. Partially filled M in America: unsure. Polishing in 8: yes, lines are present. No die clash (1F2). Die gouge in wing- unsure, but I would say no. Polishing in bow: unsure, but appears yes. Polishing lines near eagles leg: unsure, possible. * for most of the polish lines, I'll check tomorrow with a stronger loop. I attach two images, obverse and reverse. I'm looking for advice for the S-mintmark. Is it possible with these pics to identify it as centered or tilted-left?   I can try for better pics if needed, but my camera is basic and limited. Any comments about the mintmark would be greatly appreciated. Once I get this one identified, I'll go back to my 1878 7TF. That one is also giving me some trouble. Thanks. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I am no 79-S expert but it looks like the MM is pretty well centered. I will have to go look at the examples at VW to be able to see how much the others are tilted before I can give a final statement though but right now it looks pretty centered looking at the slightly out of focus photographs provided.
Edit: I just restored my computer so I have no programs to tilt the picture (or any photo editing programs on here yet) to make it straight but it may have the tilt that is showing on the VAM-36 but I am going to have to let the others tell you for sure on that one until I get some programs on this computer I can work with
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Pillar of the Community
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I believe it's VAM 1F or 1F1, not quite sure that they are not actually the same VAM,, yet the VAM 1f1 has the Die marker - Fine long vertical polishing line at left side of upper tail feathers. not noted for the VAM 1f...the apparent VAM 36/79 OBV die matched with the normal centered MM as your is,, VAM 36 and 79 are clearly left of center...so that leaves you with what you have discovered in your narrowing down the possibles, well done...  |
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The MM position looks like VAM1F1 to me. None of the other makers can be made out in the photos. The rest is up to you in hand.
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Valued Member
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I'm concurring with the VAM1F1.The mintmark position and the polished area near the tail feathers. Thanks for the help. My first VAM attribution. Now off to attribute my 1878 7TF Morgan, which has been giving me trouble. |
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I am assuming you do have the die marker for VAM 1F1 seen in hand... Usually good pics are needed to verify, but as you have done 99% of the home work, AS>>> most haven't for a general conclusion... I think in confidence: it is what you have represented..G lets see some of your thoughts on the 78P... |
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I'll get those 78 pics and thoughts down in a post tomorrow. I just spent a good part of the day at the Parsippany NJ coin show, and I'm going through my purchases.
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Posted 10/05/2012 4:55 pm
