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1876 20-Cent Piece

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I consider the 1876 an especially desirable coin because almost every 20-cent piece you see is an 1875-S. The few that aren't 1875-S are usually the CC or Philadelphia coins from that same year. If the date is 1876 however it belongs to a much more exclusive club. Of course, the 1876-CC would be even better but you can't have everything!

Anyway, I've been looking and finally found one I liked. What do you think?


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 Posted 10/30/2012  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbymeru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice. From what I've seen I'd guess MS60?
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 Posted 10/30/2012  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

The toning outlining the circumferential obverse space is interesting and colorful just enough to be preferred.

Do those fine obverse scratches appear to be of a die origin or otherwise?

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I think the coin might have had a quick dip a while ago but over time it acquired some nice rim toning. I will guess they called it AU-53. Nice find!
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 Posted 10/31/2012  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atlashealth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
reverse has superb detail....fine hairlines and a touch of wear on obverse
SLIDER AU-58 IMHO
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Looks AU-58 with album toning around the edge.
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Oh, that's just lovely. 63 if they didn't call it AU58 for the typically-weak obverse.
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WOW! what a coin....Beautiful.....I'm thinking MS for sure....Hope the obverse marks didn't cut her short....
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I'll go AU-58 a beautiful coin regardless of the grade they gave it.
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AU-58, dipped and retoned
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dipped and retoned


These two subjects have always been interesting to me but I will admit that my detective skills necessary to correctly identify them are not up to speed.

Please answer the following bullet points which should aid me to better understand these issues:

1) What features in certain areas on this coin lead to the conclusion that this coin was dipped?

2) What substance was it 'probably' dipped in?

3) How can a naturally toned coin be distinguished from a re-toned coin?

4) About how much percentage-wise has the resale value of this coin lessened because of the dipping and re-toning? Or in other terms has the grade of this coin dropped from a MS-60 to an AU-58, for example, because of these two alterations?

Thanks,
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I like it!
It would look great in my 7070!
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High AU coins are often dipped in acid to give them an MS-appearance. It does not hurt the value a great deal. A tell-tale sign is if the coin has low mint luster but, in areas, exhibits a blast white type appearance. So in this case the center of the coin is very white but does not show much mint luster. The edges are nicely toned. That suggests that perhaps in the 1970's a coin dealer gave this one a quick acid bath, sold it as blast white - probably with an UNC label - and then it sat in a collector's album for the next 40 or so years where it naturally re-toned.
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My examination of this coin shows prooflike surfaces and a slight cameo contrast on both sides. There are small, scattered hairlines and tiny contact marks in the obverse fields that I think fit appropriately with the NGC MS-62 grade. I see no wear or luster degradation although it is possible the coin was lightly dipped at some point. The album toning looks original and adds a lot to the overall eye appeal. This one will be a highlight of my collection.


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The 1876 is an awesome date for this coin and I have a couple of 'em. I agree with dipped/retoned but then again, many UNC's are. It matters more as to how the overall eye appeal is.
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