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Maria Theresa 1918 Thaler ID ?

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Here is what Wikipedia offers about FERT.
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Thanky you, swamperbob and svslav.
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Weight 27.8 grams, 40 mm, test positive for silver. Wonghinghi and astrokiwi make some very good points on these coins. (why use silver on counterfeits -too expensive?). Date on restikes would interesting, however, this coin's providence indicates that it was purchased 40 years ago, purchaser & seller have passed. The coin is listed in an inventory as Tallero Eritrea 1918 Maria Theresa & Coat of Arms of Italy. I appreciate all the input on this subject. As my concern is counterfeits & restrikes and the ogrinial buyer & seller are not present to make inquiries, so I must question everything. I would like to Thank those in the Coin Community that provided,: Information, links and input. :)
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Why use silver on counterfeits - too expensive?


The use of silver to make forgeries is a favorite topic of mine. I have been doing research on that subject for decades. I first heard about counterfeiters making coins using the correct weight of silver around 1960. That was in relation to the manufacture of counterfeit 8 Reales and Morgan dollars. The 8 Reales were made for the China trade because the Chinese paid a 30% premium over silver content for 8 Reales. The dollars were made to pass in the US.

It seems contra-intuitive that there was a profit to be made using the correct amount of real silver but it has happened historically and still happens in Numismatic forgery.

In the 1930's, a Dollar could be made for about 50 cents. There was only 35 cents worth of silver in the dollar at that time. Therefore a profit margin existed because the coin could be passed for $1. A profit of 50 cents on a dollar drove a significant cottage industry.

The same pertains to current Numismatic Forgery. As buyers become better at spotting the non-silver fakes, the forgers turn to real silver to avoid the problem.
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I'll just add to what Swamperbob has said. Silver was overvalued in China( in comparison to Europe) While gold was undervalued. Silver flowed from Europe via land and sea routes while gold(but not in equivalent value ie: there was a negative trade balance in Europe) flowed in the opposite direction. It would have been worthwhile to Copy a silver coin exactly for trade with China. I recall reading that at one time the brits started producing Spanish dollars in Asia...but they didn't keep an eye on their staff, who reduced the silver content. Chinese traders quickly identified the debasement and avoided Dollars from that year.

Another interesting case of counterfeiting was in the 1870s platinum was cheaper than gold and sovereigns were faked by producing gold plated Platinum copies.
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