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'upside Down' 2 Pence

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 Posted 11/13/2012  10:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add paul g to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Evening folks,

Further to my earlier posts where I'm going through my bequethed old coin collection,and receiving some excellent help, I have come across a 2 pence where the head and obverse are upside down compared to one another.

All other 2p's I have looked at are oriented pointing 'North' if the coin were stood on its end, however with this coin one points 'north' while the other side points 'south'!

Can any knowledgable soul shed some light on this? I wonder if it is quite normal or whether this is a genuine minting error?

Is it likely to be valuable if it is an error?

The picture I have uploaded obviously doesn't show this, but someone might recognise the coin-I think I will take a photograph with it stood next to a mirror!

Many thanks in advance

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 Posted 11/13/2012  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add That Canadian Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So is the alignment of the two sides up-up or up-down?
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 Posted 11/13/2012  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paul g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
up, down!
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 Posted 11/13/2012  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paul g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
for the avoidance (or addition) of doubt!

It's tricky to work out the mirror image, but it should show what I mean

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 Posted 11/14/2012  03:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it is indeed "upside down", or nearly so, and yes, it is a die rotation mint error.

You'll have to ask the British locals if rotation errors for this particular date/denomination are common.
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 Posted 11/14/2012  06:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sander to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a nice one...
I don't think there common in the UK, I've had quit a bit of UK coins in my hand and I always check all the coins on die axis rotation.. Never found one.. not that says anything..
But I'll wait what the UK specialist have to say, and this date goes on my watch list..
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 Posted 11/14/2012  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Never seen one! I havent been looking though. Usually this kind of thing would be quite obvious. Try having a look on ebay for other examples.
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 Posted 11/14/2012  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paul g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hmmm so this could be quite rare...
I have searched some considerable amount of web-pages, and I cannot find any reference at all relating to this!
Is there somwhere or someone specific I can ask for a definative answer; do I call The Royal Mint?
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 Posted 11/14/2012  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peter1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A die rotation is no big deal and I can't see a market in the UK (very few error collectors compared with the US)
The advice I would give is get it slabbed...UGGG...and put it in a Heritage auction.
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 Posted 11/14/2012  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paul g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see. I don't want to sell any of my coins, however! Although for one, jubilant second I thought my 1915 florin would have paid my mortgage!
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 Posted 11/14/2012  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Anaximander to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a good-looking coin, with an interesting die rotation. I have a couple of 2p coins with rotations around 40 degress.

I am an anorak - I examine every coin that comes through my hands and most of those that my family have, looking for just such a thing. From my anecdotal "evidence" I dont think they are particularly common.
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 Posted 11/14/2012  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paul g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I might well consider putting this up for auction if it is unique, I have no real sentimental feelings attached to this one. To me it's just a 2p(usually an annoyance at how they build up in my pocket!)
When you say it's no big deal and that there are not many folks collect these, I take it there is little monetary value, just uniqueness to a collector?
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 Posted 11/15/2012  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paul g to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can anyone advise me then, as to where I should ask for a definative opinion on this coin? Such as rarity of such an event, and whether or not it is unique?
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 Posted 11/16/2012  07:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe ask a nearby dealer. I doubt it would be unique as the misaligned die would have struck probably thousands of other coins.
I only have an Australian perspective on it: they're reasonably uncommon here though you'll find one with persistence and they don't seem to be prohibitively expensive.
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