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Bank Of Canada 1912-14 Gold Coin Special RCM Release

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 Posted 02/11/2013  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The RCM is sold out of the 1913 $10 PS as of this morning. Still 1914 $10 PS remaining.


Both HS and PHS $10 1913 and 1914 are showing as available to me?

Of course there were 3.75 times more 1914s PHS released than there were 1913s so I'd expect the '13s to sell out first.

I think it might take a steep increase in gold spot to get sales moving on the remaining BoC hoard. Either that, or they may liquidate them to dealers at a discount.
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02/11/2013 3:43 pm
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 Posted 02/11/2013  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add taro-chan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Or melt. I want some melting.
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 Posted 02/11/2013  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Which 1913 $10 was shown as out of stock earlier? The hand picked one or the premium hand picked one?
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 Posted 02/11/2013  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripoli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Earlier today, a friend phoned and both 1913 & 1914 PS were available....lots of HS $10 remaining.....when my brother phoned about an hour later (today), they were sold out of the 1913 PS $10...
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 Posted 02/11/2013  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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These gold coins on the other hand, are 100 years old, more or less 'un-circulated' and have an intrinsic bullion value. Yet people would rather pay a fortune for a one ounce silver piece with a splotch of glass be-dazzled onto it.


Very true. But, the flip side is the supply. There a 5000 of the first splotch, and 10000 of the second. Compare that to 100,000 of something 100 years old, but much still in near mint state because it is gold.

Most of these early gold coins are like 1976 silver and gold. Large amounts made. Most still around. Thought of as bullion.

Now, the melting of 200,000 will be interesting.

$5

1912 165,680
1913 98,832
1914 31,122
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Total 295,634

$10

1912 74,759
1913 149,232
1914 140,068
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Total 364,059

Grand total: 659,693

So, they are planning to melt 30% of the coins ever made. That's pretty significant. But, still 450,000 are probably still out there.

And, it sure would be useful to know what the date and denomination counts are for those to be melted. That information would seem to be something we have a right to know.
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 Posted 02/11/2013  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
^^^^^^

I doubt 450,000 is out there in the hands of collectors. Most of them, in particular the poor quality ones, have been melted down for its bullion value long time ago. Its like the pre-1968 coins that still have silver in them. People are selling them for its silver value to bullion dealers who then melt them.
Its only the really nice coins that are kept.
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 Posted 02/11/2013  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Badly worded on my part. The fate of the remaining 450,000 are still unknown.

I don't think they were ever heavily circulated. And, I think most were held as a gold backstop by banks. They were withdrawn from circulation in WWI when Canada briefly went off the gold standard. That is why the hoard exists. But, what about the others?

450,000 isn't much. They used to make over 500,000 NCLT silver dollars a year (1970s).

And, when the US confiscated their citizens gold coins. Did they steal the Canadian ones too?





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I received my 1912, 1913 and 1914 $5 Premium Hand Select.
I am having a very hard time getting good photos of them.
The reverse on all would be a MS64 - MS65 and the obverse of them would fall between MS63 and MS64.
I will try to get a friend to shoot pics of them soon.
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 Posted 02/11/2013  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripoli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Regarding the fate of the unmelted coins, does anyone have the pop reports from ICCS or PCGS as a reference? Due to possible fakes, I guessing that a larger ratio might be in certified holders after all these years....
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 Posted 02/11/2013  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cookiecutter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Based on the mint's webpage, my order for my 1914 $5 coin hasn't even been processed yet. I'm wondering if the mint oversold and then will arbitrarily cancel my order. I'd be pretty disappointed if that happened.

I'm a newbie to coin collecting and thought that the gold coin was a great earmark of history.
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 Posted 02/11/2013  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jerry_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cookiecutter, the web info isn't always up-to-date, so I wouldn't be worried about it.

Welcome to CCF!
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cookiecutter
I'm sure you will get your coin, they just started shipping the 1914 $5 a couple weeks ago, I'm sure they still have a bunch to ship.
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Thanks for the welcome Jerry and Rockdaddy.

I probably will get my coin. I'm just a bit anxious as this is my first big coin purchase. I've never spent this much on a coin before.
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Congrats, darryldarryl. Please posy pictures asap.
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Just got back from downtown Vancouver where the RCM has a boutique shop....they had their supply of coins arrive this morning, including some PS $5, but those quickly went. By the time it got to me, they had NO $5 left, 2 PS $1913 $10, 2 PS 1914 $10 and 5 HS $10.....I took a look at all 4 PS $10's, but only chose one. They even had some 1912 HS $10 at the beginning...
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